More speckled than not. The other one I have is black, but the seeds get a lot bigger going off of what I planted.
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Im down, have been looking into lima bean hybrids before I found your thread. I do think the tuber route is interesting especially for xerophyte adaptations
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Awesome! I feel like these post keep attracting the right people and I’m all for it! More collaborators to make Super diverse epic lima bean landrace happen!
Definitely! Most of the xerophyte dry adapted plants have big root tubers that go deep into the ground for a reason, I don’t think it’s pure coincidence.
If you are working with Phaseolus a good sign you have something interesting going on with the roots is if the cotyledons germinate above ground or below ground.
All the root tuber species of Phaseolus germinate below ground.
Was curious to see a 3/8 5/8 hybrid between “royal corona” x wt polystachios, and 3/8 5/8 hybrid between “big mama” x wt maculatus. Feel like both growth groups should give a decent wt heavy base with larger bean production for a more fortified outcrossing plant for Andean lunatus variants.
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Probably! I am curious tho, how are the root systems of P. lunatus x P. polystachios? Does it take on more P. polystachios root system & as a result perennial or still more annual like P. lunatus.
I wonder if it’s similar Phaseolus dumosus which is a hybrid between Perennial P. coccineus x Annual P. vulgaris.
To my knowledge intermediate on f1, haven’t seen anyone do f1 x f1 so can’t speak to that, have seen backcrossed to domestic and everything novel about the riots atp are essentially gone. Then to my knowledge no one has tried backcross to wt
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I know introgression with parent species that made the hybrid in the first place is how you help stabilize hybrid populations, especially for wider hybrids. This is how you get stabilized Interspecies Cucurbita hybrids & avoid sterility issues in the next generations but… it seems like P. polystachios x P. lunatus may not need it as much (more compatible than expected)?
Backcrosses is introgression excepet you backcross with both parent species pollen (& vice versa).
Don’t get me started on cucurbita, in my perfect world I’d convince a bunch of people to help me domesticate
cucurbita digitata Via introgression of domestic genetics into digitata, a cucurbit with edible tubers and fruit does sound amazing, not to mention digitata
Is a xerophyte.
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I’m the same way, we need to domesticate & redomesticate Squash, both wild & domesticated types! So much untapped diversity in that genus, but it’s definitely gonna be a lot of work!
I think you’ll love this page form Foraging Expert Sam Thayer about that exact species.
It seems the squash flowers are the best/most usable part of the wild types. Perhaps the flowers don’t taste much bitter but leaves, seeds & roots do? The bigger root is bitter tasting but has a lot of starch. So maybe it’s possible to select for non-bitter root tubers (Otherwise in the bitter state it isn’t edible)?
The species is actually the whole reason I’m on this forum, There’s a post dedicated to f1 and f2 hybrids involving it and fig leaf squash on here, f1s were fertile.
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Moschata has been shown to make fertile hybrids with the xerophytes as well, I can run you through my idea if you want
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Nice! Well you came to the right place, we talk about this kind of stuff all the time!
OOh! Nice, Moschata hybrids with digitata!? Digitata is in the most basal Cucurbita group, a little surprised this works!
yes please do explain how it was done! and which moschata was used (like was an Inbred heirloom moschata cultivar used or a super diverse moschata landrace for the hybrid cross with C. digiata?)
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