Non-irrigated garden projects

Tilling doesn’t help compaction in the long term, but creates more. I would rather use plants that can grow there to loosen the soil and at the same time adding vegetable matter on the stop. Like some plants that you don’t need as much for the crop. At the same time you will select for more tough plants. Like my favas seemed unkillable even in the extreme conditions. Not sure if those are the best to loosen the soil, but at least it’s something and I can add more plants later.

The place where I grew carrots has more loose and almost like peaty soil. It was tilled previous year by person who grew potatoes there, but it was still loose and maybe didn’t even need tilling. In that spot weeds were a lot higher and it seemed like it might have been better place to start with (note to self when selecting spots to start garden; look at the weeds). It must have been lake bottom and later marsh after the ice age as it’s only little higher than the level of the nearby lake and the ground just stone throw away gets easily wet and has some wet ground vegetation. Possible that years of tilling has also washed nutriens there from uphill. Carrots do well with less nutrients so maybe it’s not a surprise that they did so well even if I only added little manure on the top and nothing the year before. This year also wasn’t that dry, and especially august-september they got sufficient amounts of water. Next year is the real test when I will have more of other species and have dealt with the other problems that they can grow as well as the conditions allow them to grow.

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One of my favorite ways to trellis my peas is to find a big branch that blew off a tree somewhere in the neighborhood, and jab it into the ground in the middle of my pea patch. It looks kinda silly for the first month, but once it’s covered in peas, it looks really cool. After the peas are done, I pull those dead branches up and break them into smaller bits to bury in the soil as hugelkultur somewhere.

There are also tomato cages, which are not very effective for tomatoes but fantastic for trellising peas. They’re easy to plop down and yank up, and they don’t take up too much space to stack them together and toss them into an unused corner of the garden somewhere. I wouldn’t have gone out and bought them, but a neighbor gave me a bunch that he wasn’t using anymore, and they’re great. If you have any used chicken wire or anything other flexible wire mesh, you could wrap it in a circle to make something similar. Check and see if your neighbors are throwing anything like that away.

There are also those bamboo poles that come with a fruit tree I buy online. I like to jab those into the ground in the middle of the pea patch for peas to use as supports.

But mainly, I like using fava beans as supports for the peas I sow around them. Peas don’t wrap around or otherwise put much weight on a plant they’re using as a support — they just want to wrap a few tendrils around something tall to help them stay balanced as they climb up. They seem to mostly support their own weight; they just need help staying balanced. So favas are strong enough to provide that little bit of support that they need. They work so well as a living trellis for peas! :grin:

(Sheepish laugh . . . :laughing:) My success with cucumbers has so far been nil, too. But I’ll admit I haven’t planted very many, because I prefer cantaloupes. See, an unripe cantaloupe tastes exactly the same as a cucumber, so why not just use a cantaloupe instead? (Of course, in practice, I never want to harvest them unripe because I want to eat them ripe, so that question does sort of answer itself.)

I’m hoping to try Gagon cucumbers next year, because they’re supposed to be tasty when ripe, unlike almost all other cucumbers. I want cucumbers that I can eat like melons after I save the seeds! :grin:

I love the look of arched trellises, and I love how space efficient they are, and I would love to try them someday. I just don’t have any cattle panels lying around and I’m unwilling to spend the money to buy one new, so . . . :laughing: Maybe someday I’ll get my hands on one that somebody else is throwing away!

If you’ve got an area that’s only boggy sometimes and at other times dry, kang kong seems to be able to thrive in both soggy and dry soil, so that might be a good choice. I would definitely experiment with the others, too, if I were you — cattails, for instance, might still be okay after the soil is dry if you toss a bunch of wood chip mulch in there while it’s still wet.

Oooh, have you tasted bulrush? I haven’t yet; I only have seeds. The roots sound so tasty — they’re described as being sweet, and similar in flavor to sugarcane. What do you think of them? :smiley:

By the way, I mostly agree that tilling doesn’t help in the long-term, but there is one time when I find it valuable: my soil is mostly sand interspersed with lots of big rocks and lots of bindweed and Siberian elm roots, so I find it valuable to dig a deep hole one time to remove all those rocks and weed roots, and replace them with lots of branches, kitchen scraps, wood chips, and edible mushroom spawn. :smiley: Then I put the soil on top, and plant into it. The soil becomes rich and fertile and full of mycellium, and ideally I will not disturb it again.

In practice, I will have to disturb it again if what I planted was a root crop like sunchokes. So if I ever have to disturb the soil again, which I frequently do, I bury more wood into it — branches, wood chips, etc. Since I usually have wood chip mulch on top, I can easily mix more into the soil by just not bothering to remove it before starting to dig.

Sometimes people say you should never, ever mix wood chips into the soil because of nitrogen tie-up, etc. etc. etc. Meh. In my experience, nitrogen is a solved problem. If my plants want nitrogen, I can:

  • Urinate into a can, dilute it with a ton of water, and pour some diluted urine around them. (This is actually the wort solution because there’s so much nitrogen in urine that it’s easy to overfertilize the plants to death. Instead, you might try simultaneously improving the soil long-term and killing weeds in the short term by pouring undiluted urine into a spot you aren’t going to grow anything in this year, but will want to in a later year. It’s one of the few things that works to kill Siberian elm roots, for example.)
  • Not bother to filter leaves out of my rain tanks. The leaves will sit in there all winter and make the water a bit brown because it’s full of nice, rotted down fertilizer. The plants seem happy with it.
  • Not bother to try to prevent algae growing in my rain tanks. It’s a nitrogen source that comes out with the water. The plants seem happy with it.
  • Toss kitchen scraps in with the wood chips and branches whenever I dig a big hole. I usually do this. (The only times I don’t are when I forget, or when I’ve already used up all the kitchen scraps recently in another hole.)
  • Throw weeds into a bin full of water and let them rot down for a week. It will smell awful. It will also be a high-nitrogen fertilizer that the plants are happy to be watered with.
  • Grow nitrogen fixers. This is very easy if you happen to like beans and/or peas.
  • Just ignore nitrogen altogether and put mycorrhizal mushroom spawn in the soil with all the wood. The fungi seem to prefer a low-in-nitrogen, high-in-wood-chips wood environment, and the plants seem to be just as happy to have a high-in-mycorrhizal-fungi-and-low-in-nitrogen environment as to be in a balanced-nitrogen-and-potassium environment.

Granted, I don’t get a lot of rain, and water is what flushes nitrogen out of the soil, so I probably rarely have a nitrogen deficiency anyway. Experiment yourself in your climate and see what works. What I’ve found in my garden is that nitrogen tie-up just isn’t a problem. Nitrogen’s easy to get and put into the soil. It’s so super easy. Wood is more challenging and therefore much more valuable to me.

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I can see why you would have troubles understanding if you haven’t had any issues! You have strong opinions based off of years of experience and generations of knowledge passed on to you and that is amazing that you have had such success! I on the other hand am a clean slate with minimal familiarity so I absorb as much information as I can from Youtube, gardening websites and forums such as this, to pick and choose what is relevant to my preferences, capabilities and goals. I suppose to be more clear I should have stated the fact that when I refer to direct sowing “everything” I was indeed talking about the exception such as the tomatoes you mentioned, as well as peppers, eggplant, onions, cucumbers etc.. those are some examples that are regularly suggested to be sown indoors and transplanted later on.. at least in the mainstream gardening community info that I stumbled upon.

I am learning to be more aware of how early I can direct sow as well, instead of planting too late and watching things struggle as the seasons change. I have no problems direct sowing beans, squash, obviously carrots/beets/radishes, kale and spinach and the like. Again, due to my lack of experience I could be struggling simply from my own mistakes and I think my timing has a lot to do with that, especially with my winter squash and beans. I will be attempting to sow earlier instead of “playing it safe” and setting myself back by planting too late. The contrast of super wet spring/fall/winter in comparison to my hot dry humid summers really throws me through a loop!

I do have a longer growing season which I am absolutely thrilled about but my property in particular is located right under a mountain that shades out the morning sun and my backyard is bordered by big ol black walnut trees that soak up all of my afternoon sunshine. In contrast with my friend living at the end of town, who has an extra 5+ hours of direct light and a greenhouse to maximize results for heat loving crops… I do want to take advantage of what I have available and I attempt to be strategic with plants that do just fine in or prefer some shade/partial sun.

I wasn’t too sure if I should direct sow cabbage or add it to my “milk jug” method of wintersowing. I am just using trays with lids instead of milk jugs but same concept hahaha. Perhaps I will try both but I assume direct sowing would work just fine and dandy in my mild spring climate. The corn marching band sounds pretty neat, i’d like to see how that looks! I am going to attempt grain corn next spring but I am a bit leery about it, mainly due to my lack of sun in the back yard. I did purchase a variety of seed to try out and painted mountain in particular seems to be adapted to cold soil and partial sun! Yay!

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Yes, pecisely! I did till up my new plots this year just to break up the severely compacted clay, but I wont be tilling it again. I added a fall cover crop of grocery store lentils, beans, and some clover, let it grow a bit, then covered it all with mulch. I also have a few rows with an inch or two of horse manure on top, as well as trying out some daikon radish in other areas to break it up. trial and error different methods and see how my results turn out next year! I tried out fava this year and will be growing more next season… I got a colourful selection to play around with and hopefully will lead to some successfully unkillable plants as well hah!

I was able to get some carrots the first year I grew my garden back in 2023 (2024 was a break for me while I was pregnant) but this year my carrots and beets were pretty pathetic. I even tried growing carrots in pots to see if less compaction helped. If they survive the winter, I will most certainly be collecting seed and see if the next generation has adapted better to my soil conditions. Where I am really conflicted is how to treat my true potato seeds. Id like to follow through with no-till to keep my soil healthy and microorganisms thriving, as well as adapting my spuds to less than ideal soil, but debate taking a broadfork through the area just to loosen it up once more in the springtime before planting the potato seedlings. Then with each proceeding year, taper off any additional pampering such as that.

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Potato would be perfect to spot where you want to add plant matter, although the yields will be affected. Still it’s hard to fail completely and tps would need bit longer season to produce as well as from seed potatoes so maybe it’s not such bummer if the crop is reduced half or third if it’s not going to feed a family anyway in better conditions. You do get less to plant next year, but I would say it’s still more important to test them properly and that way get more in the long run. If you have compost you could add 2 inces of that on top of the packed soil and plant directly on that compost. Then later add what ever plant material you have available on top during growing season.

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A rustic branch for pea trellis is on my list, I got lots of those! I did actually use a tomato cage for one pea plant but I only have a few of those so I love the idea of using the favas to support the peas! Bamboo poles are also excellent and I want to collect some more of those and see if those will be strong enough to hold up some indeterminate tomato plants. There is invasive bamboo growing all over and I wanted to harvest some and dry it to use in the garden but the backtrail to that spot was closed off :unamused_face: sooo I gotta ask around and see if anyone will spare some!

Ahh shucks, well I hope we have some success with cucumbers next year! Tasty ripe cucumbers would be awesome. Waste not want not :wink:

And yes, I too really love the idea of arched trellises but like to be frugal and improvise with what I got. Although maximum space efficiency does sound mighty enticing to meeee…

Sorry for being misleading! I’d like to say I have tried bulrushes and cattails but they are on my list of foragebles that I have yet to prioritize, which is silly considering they grow everywhere in the marshlands of my lake town. I have an on going list of activities that always end up as “next years” projects. Tapping birch and maples, grinding acorn flour, weaving baskets from various vines, FINALLY harvesting fiddleheads before they unfurrow, and tasting what I presume would be a sweet earthy flavoured bulrush… next year, right?! haha

I also don’t get too worked up about woodchips mixing in with the soil. I have so much rain that it doesn’t take long for everything to break down and I ain’t gonna be overly precise and anxious about it because I do my best to challenge my old perfectionist habits. Gardening works wonders with that, if ya ever take a peek at my wonky aisles and not so straight garlic “rows” heheh. To me there is nothing but benefits with valuable woodchips and I consider it to be quite useful when falling into my matted clay.

It is nice to see someone mention that the fungi dominant soil is just as acceptable as the nitrogen rich comparison. I have watched certain videos explaining the difference between fungi/bacterial as if perennials and trees need one and annuals the other. I have dabbled in every nitrogen-fixing solution you listed there and even though I will continue to do so casually in small doses, ultimately I rather just focus on feeding the soil a wack load of variety. I think that will be just as beneficial instead of targeting specifics, unless I had a particular plant that was stressed out and showing clear signs of certain issues. All i know is that too much nitrogen will cause more foliage growth than fruiting (I think?) Kinda like when people focus on protein so much that they forget the importance of balance with healthy fats and complex carbs. The whole picture.

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I most certainly agree with testing them properly for more in the long run! I do not have an abundance of compost but I did dump a few inches of horse manure onto my to-be potato beds prior to learning about tps and purchasing seeds. It has been breaking down since July/August? but I was concerned that by doing so, I was setting back the potato seeds by giving them the boost of manure that they may not have in proceeding years. Wasn’t sure if that was pampering them too much only to get an even worse yield in the year after. I plan on topping them up with mulched woodchips as they grow throughout the season.

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I’ve had good results dumping half rotten straw on grass, plonking potatos in it, dump more old straw on them and walk off. Kills most grasses and prepares a future bed. I’ve irrigated them only in last years ridiculous heat wave in June when they appeared. Would i not have done the minimal irrigating they wouldn’t have survived. The potato bugs mostly left these alone and headed for the ones i had planted in year’s old compost. I had descend harvest, rummaging through the straw and colonized new terrain.

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Ahh yes, i too attempted a ruth stout straw bed for potatoes but ran out of straw when the plants started peeking through, so i put woodchips on top instead. Harvest was atrocious but I am pretty sure that was mainly to do with the fact that i used regular grocery store potatoes from an organic farmers market. They came with blight and I watched everything suffer and die as the season went on… It was brutal! Even before commiting to a whole garden, I have grown regular storebought potatoes in the past with success using the traditional hilling method. I even neglecting them with lack of water and got awesome results!

So this coming year will be an intriguing change up with trying out true potato seeds. Was debating buying some certified seed potatoes as well so i have a more (hopefully) predictable harvest. I LOVE the rewarding discovery of diggin up spuds. So exciting. Like a treasure hunt heheh.

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If you haven’t seen the Back to Eden documentary yet . . . watch it! It’s lovely. :blush:

Yes, I know what you mean about always having a hundred things on my to-do list that I want to do, and so many of the lower priorities having to be pushed off to next year! (And in some cases, that even becomes “next year . . . okay, next year . . . okay, next year . . .” :laughing:)

Gradually, things keep improving and coming into shape, and gradually, I am learning to be patient with myself and accept that I can’t always build Rome in a single day . . . but I can keep moving forward. :winking_face_with_tongue:

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Oh, I have definitely watched the back to eden documentary! It is refreshing to watch Paul give full recognition where it deserves to be. Indeed it is lovely and a great reminder to look to Yahuah(God) and His flawless design!! I think it is funny that you bring it up, as it came to mind when I was talking about feeding the soil a variety.. i almost mentioned observing the perfectly balanced ecosystem and that all we need to do is stop tampering so much, ask for guidance and return control back to our Creator!

As you said, just gotta keep moving forward. Progress is a process :wink:

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I started writing my thoughts about it all but there are so many issues, variables and nuances that when I got to about ten pages and had barely scratched the surface, I gave up. I’ll try to abbreviate a few things.

Wood chips, I haven’t had all that much experience but have had mixed results. It’s hard to not let them get mixed in the soil where I guess they do rob nitrogen, and they can suck out moisture, but as long as they are just on top, they do work very well as mulch. What I like to do with them is mix with soil in a pile and let it set for a year or so, then use it a mulch.

I don’t have access to a continuous supply of wood chips, and I doubt many people do but I do have access to lots of leaves and use them similarly. Right now, they are piled about a foot deep in my paths and will eventually be used as mulch under plants or incorporated in the soil. I use them and crass clippings from around my yard, but I don’t like to take them form my woods because I’m afraid it will mess up my mayapples, morel mushrooms and little wood land wildflowers. I live near a small town and observe to see who uses a yard company to spray chemicals and who doesn’t. When they rake them into piles by the street, I swoop in with some bags and swipe them before the leaf sucker gets there. There is a giant umbrella magnolia tree in the yard of an old church, it has great leaves.

Wood rotted to the point you can crumble with your fingers has worked good for me in the bottom of containers to hold water and it seems work as fertilizer as well, but my opinion of the magical hügelkultur thing is that there is no such thing as magic, although it may work well in some climates. Since the emerald ash borers killed all my big ash trees some years ago, I have plenty of rotted wood, but I know a lot of people don’t.

No-till has also worked very well but especially combined with mulch has both positive and negative effects. When I came here the soil was hard packed clay with three or four inches of good stuff on top. Although I immediately started adding organic material, I also attacked it with a rototiller. For twenty years it never improved all that much. The tiller did a fine job of loosening the soil and mixing the organics in but only to the depth of the tines, below that the hard pack remained and the good stuff on top was subject to leeching and erosion. When I ditched the tiller and let the radishes, turnips, dandelions, thistles, burdock and other things sort of run wild I was a bit shocked at how fast it improved. Now the loose black layer is a foot or more deep, rather than a few inches. Now if I let a big old thistle get five feet tall and ready to bloom, I can just put on gloves and pull it up the entire root. I don’t usually do that though, instead I cut it off at soil level and leave that big root to root in the ground. When I first came here, I didn’t have fences, so I harvested the big thistles from across the road to use as mulch, the stickers kept the rabbits out. I used them, the burdock and the Jhonson grass until they almost went extinct in the neighborhood, recently I’ve been encouraging them to come back. Far too valuable resources to completely eliminate them. I guess a lesson here is to work with what you have and that pretty much anything in nature, has its place.

I’ve done the no-till for about fifteen years now and the drawbacks so far are that my feral radishes, dill, marigolds and other such easily self-seeding things started to decline. They apparently need that bare often tilled soil to really thrive. I just had to adjust to make sure some bare ground was available for them to drop their seeds and I started saving some seeds again, just in case. The other drawback, which I think is related is increased populations of little snails and flea beetles that attack my seedlings. They became apparent more recently and I’ve developed work arounds but still experimenting with more effective solutions.

I’ve seen people argue over the definition of no-till. Arguing over definitions of words is pretty stupid in my opinion. I guess by some standards I do plenty of tilling. There is a big difference between digging around with shovels, hoes, rakes or even a broad fork and using a machine to grind the surface to near powder while leaving hard pack underneath.

The Ruth Stout method of deep mulch all the time would be a disaster here. Still an interesting method with something to learn, but as Ruth herself pointed out in her book, her soil was mostly sand. Deep sand and deep clay are very, very different things. It dries up here in summer way worse than it used to but even with my improved topsoil a deep permanent mulch combined with the moisture we still get in winter is not a good idea. I want to plant as early as possible, so I need the ground to dry a little in late winter and early spring.

During the growing season I keep my paths alternately scaped bare and lightly mulched from piles of last year’s leaves. I have moles and voles. They can live in my grow beds without being obvious until the damage is done but if they try to cross the more hardpacked paths I’m tipped off, and they are dead meat, the cat sees to that. Sometimes, he spends a little time in the nip patch by the gate and even catches a lot of the imaginary ones. I keep the paths somewhat as depressions and build or remove little dams as necessary to hold or drain water, more and more though the dams are left in place, even in winter.

Most of my garden adaptation in recent years has had to do with water. I’ve adapted practices much more than seeds and have started growing species traditionally thought of as more southern. Five or six years ago I had never even eaten okra, or cowpeas. Okra is sooo good, who knew? If it doesn’t rain for four or six weeks though, even they need water. I have pretty much everything I need here for a garden, except water and that’s a big one. A mistake in planning that is hard and or expensive to remedy. I just didn’t expect the climate to change this much this fast; the few hundred gallons of rain collection is just not enough.

I think it’s fun to use corn stalks to grow peas. I just cut the tops off to reduce the wind weakening them over winter and stick a few peas around each one in early spring. Pea tendrils don’t grab the thick stalks all that well, but they grab each other and together use the stalk between them for support. It works good for beans too, in the same season. When the corn is starting to dry down, I strip off the lower leaves and plant a few beans by each stalk. Of course, at this time of year the beans will need a lot of watering.

I think TPS is a waste of time, almost certainly so in my climate. I expect in zone 8 it would be even worse, but I don’t know that. There is a lot to be said for experimentation, observation, determination and an attitude of “I don’t really care what you think, I’m going to do it anyway”. The only way to guarantee failure, is not to try.

Some things I think are pretty much universally true are that your soil will improve faster if you don’t use a machine to grind it up. The nutrient content and microbial life will be better off if you don’t use fertilizer, bug killers and certainly not fungicides, even organic ones. Don’t throw anything away, nothing leaves the patch except the seeds you share and the produce you eat, toss in other stuff like leaves and grass clippings. Don’t mess with soil analysis or tests unless you intend to purchase and apply the recommended remedy without regard to how fixing one issue might create others. Similarly, don’t mess with accurately identifying particular specific bugs and diseases unless you are going to apply specific remedies, again likely creating new problems.

That’s all for now.

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Yeah, I think you’ve really got to dig the soil to get some of that organic mulch mixed into the lower layers. You can do that by rototilling or digging or having gophers invade your garden (laugh), and I think growing deep-rooted crops would be another great strategy. I think earthworms tend to eventually mix the organic material into the deeper soil, but that can take quite a few years. At least, this is all me speaking from my own personal experience. I’ve found that I can easily turn the top few inches of soil into beautiful fertile stuff just by adding mulch to the top, but if I dig more than about a foot down, it’s all light-colored pure sand (and huge rocks) again. Nothing useful there at all except very fast drainage, which I don’t want or need in my climate.

(Nods.) I’ve heard that annuals tend to need disturbed soil in order to self-sow. It makes sense that you’ve seen that. I believe the role of annuals in most ecosystems is to be a pioneer species that fills in disturbed soil quickly, right? So a no-till garden is ideal for perennials, and it may not always be great for annuals, especially annuals you want to encourage to go feral and reseed themselves.

I’m personally quite interested in TPS, but I have a specific goal. I want potatoes that will produce well as winter crops for me! Most people aren’t selecting for that, and I suspect it’s possible, especially with Solanum ajanhuiri and Solanum curtilobum (which I have bought seeds of). I really want to see if I can get potatoes to work as winter crops for me, either in a protected space, or — even better! — just out in the regular garden with no protection whatsoever. If so, that would be so sweet.

You have lots of good thoughts and advice here, Mark. :blush: Thank you for sharing!

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I don’t know, I’ve never heard that, but it makes sense and matches what I’ve seen. Most everything I grow in my fenced gardens are annuals and except for what we’re discussing, it works fine with no-till, or should I say no-grind. I just have to scrape through the mulch and rough up the soil a bit to put in the seeds. Something they can’t do by themselves. I love my rhubarb, and asparagus and grapes and other stuff but annuals make up mostly what fills the pantry each year and mostly what goes in the garden, perennials live mostly at the edges of the yard.

Why in the world would someone want to till the ground in a perennial garden? That just doesn’t make any sense to me.

That sounds like a great goal. I’ve never been clear on the goal of breeding potatoes. Maybe just for a new clone or just for seeds to sell or share? With an end goal in mind, yours is the first idea I’ve seen that makes some sense.

I have a rule that any crop has to make seeds because that is the only thing that guarantees an opportunity to start over in case of a total crop failure or loss for whatever reason of all living plant material. And it has to actually make something to eat and more seed, FROM SEED, not just a little bit of live plant material that has to be preserved until the next spring. I wonder why no one is trying that with potatoes. I’d do it except my climate is so far from what potatoes like I think it would be really hard to do but really hard isn’t the same as impossible.

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I think removing mulch in order to germinate seeds likely counts as disturbing the soil, but you’re right that it’s not tilling – it’s a very light disturbance. But yeah, I think annuals usually do need mulch removed in order to germinate and survive (instead of being eaten by a hoard of hungry roly polies, as I have tragically learned will usually happen to my seeds if I leave the mulch in place :laughing:).

With tiny seeds, I tend to like to move the mulch, scatter sow, rake lightly a little bit, and then sprinkle a light dusting of compost or soil on top to make sure at least some of them are covered. With big seeds, like beans and squash, I tend to remove the mulch and plant them one at a time, pushing them about half an inch to an inch down into the ground. Then I pinch the holes closed. I don’t rake or sprinkle anything on top.

One thing I love about perennial plants with big thick roots is that I don’t have to clear away the mulch at all. I can just leave the roots in the soil and they’ll push up right through. Even a foot deep of wood chips won’t deter my Jerusalem artichokes at all.

Of course, it also won’t deter my perennial weeds, such as Siberian elms and stars of Bethlehem, so I have to dig great big holes in order to get those out . . . but hopefully that’s something I will only ever need to do in a given spot once. :laughing:

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:rofl: so that’s a thing now? Don’t touch the ground at all, just drop seeds on top and reap the abundance?Perhaps I need enlightened, is there a video about that, maybe I can buy a book or click a donate now button.

I remove the mulch entirely to prep a planting bed, assuming I’ve bothered to have mulch there in the first place. If there’s one thing I’m not, it’s consistent but I am lazy. It might be dandelions, thistles, mustard, turnips, radishes, dill, clover or even, choke choke, grass that’s in the way or some combination of all the above. O I forgot there is always an abundance of Creeping Charlie. I love Creeping Charlie. Didn’t get around to putting a winter cover? Never fear Creeping Charlie has your back. I bet there are lots of folks that would have an exact opposite opinion, but Creeping Charlie is a gardeners dream. Unless you use a tiller, it will gob that thing up in a fast minute.

Whatever it is, I scrape it off the planting bed into the paths with my hoe and put it back later after stuff is growing. For tiny seeds like lettuce or carrot I mix the seed with something like compost or just soil or maybe grass clippings very fine and very dry. Then I dampen the surface so I can see the different color as the seed/stuff mix lands on it. That helps me get a nice even spread of seeds. Then I toss on some more very fine compost or something and tamp it down with my foot or the back of my hoe. O’ I forgot first after clearing the spot, I disturb it with my rake.

For big seeds like beans or corn I clear rows about a foot wide and again disturb it down the middle with my hoe. I used to only make the clearing just two or three inches wide but the rolli pollies you mentioned, then snails and flea beetles made me adjust them a bit wider. I’m still assessing what to do about those critters.

I don’t think I really have a perennial garden, I just have stuff growing all around the place and mostly just mow around it although I do often rake the clippings and pile them around. Asparagus and my feral garlic are about the only things I mess with tending, o’ and strawberries. Grapes, fruit trees, berry brambles and such take care of themselves pretty good. I never messed with watering those things either, until recent years. although most of them are out of range to do that, even if I did have plenty of water. Maybe I need to mulch all of it. I don’t really want to do that, well, because I’m lazy.

Goji berries took over one of my wood lots, honey berries said to heck with you, we ain’t living here. Wasabi just dropped dead without saying anything. I don’t like Jerusalem artichokes but there is a patch of them over by the bamboo, I want to see who wins, spoiler it looks the bamboo has the upper hand.

My tree weeds are mimosa and tree of heaven. I hate those things but if caught early I can just pull them up. Sometimes you can chop something down and put about a foot of something on top. Somehow it seems to cause the roots to loosen up and even move up. I guess to take advantage of the situation. By the time the spindly little light starved sprouts find the light, you can just pull them up, sometimes.

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We would find a couple lines of thought in that AEA podcast with Joe Ailts about the measured and contextualized interest of sowing early. We could rephrase that for our GTS circles : to breed for cold soild emergence.

You’ll see that it’s with broadacre crops in North Western Wisconsin, in particular soy, beans and corn, but the guy is also a passionate pumpkin grower, so there’s a couple of interesting nuggets in there. A bit tangential but noteworthy.

On the subject of sowing earlier to get higher yields and better drought resistance, I also just want link my first post on that : Thomas cucurbits' garden summer 2025 (+ some solanaceae!) - #11 by ThomasPicard

The idea came out looking at volunteers which TOLD me that the rule of thumb (in my local, western France) that “you should never direct sow or transplant cucurbits before mid-May” was 100% outdated, and that we would find leverage in sowing earlier : so to say synchronizing our sowings with when the soil is really biologically active. Before it runs dry, before earthworms go hiding. Again : I got a sandy soil, not holding water, so that’s relevant to this type of situation! You can see on pics that in June everything seemed already dry, so before this year’s huge summer drought, with crazy high temps on top!

I’ll just add to that post that after the summer season the very small volunteer watermelon seen on pic had vines nearly 2 times longer than all the - culled and selected for early vigor - direct sown: 4meters in total vs. average 2.3meters. This was telling too, as the little original advance seemed to go exponentially afterwards… But of course we should take that with a grain of salt as it would need to be confirmed in a bigger experience, assessing crop development, yields, etc.

Regarding Joe Aits and his sowing timings and temps I looked on weatherspark.com (my personnal comparison) and that confirmed that his “end of April temps” were quite similar to mine, probably ten days later. I recommend this website to make clever assesments of similarities and differences between our different climates.

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That’s a great process for sowing small seeds! I particularly like your idea of dampening the mix so that you can see where you’ve sown and where you haven’t at a glance. Very clever!

My next-door neighbor says the best way to ensure carrot germination is to sprinkle the seeds on the soil, and then stomp on the beds. My suspicion is that compacting the soil on purpose probably helps increase capillary action, which is a great idea for pure-sand soil (and probably a horrendous idea for high-clay soil). She’s had decades of experience gardening here, and she’s tried all kinds of different methods over that time, so my suspicion is that she’s right about that being optimal in our neighborhood.

I’ve tried following her lead and stomping on the soil on purpose after planting small seeds, and yes, I think it really does help them germinate better. Compaction can help keep the top of the soil moist because it increases capillary action from below, so moisture can wick upwards effectively. But again, of course, my soil is pure sand, so compaction is not a problem for it. On the contrary: it drains WAY TOO QUICKLY, so compacting it as much as possible can help slow that down slightly.

Ha ha ha! It sounds like honeyberries have had an attitude for you. :wink:

Even though I tend to think I only have to dig once in order to get rocks and roots out, I tend to find that if I go back a year or two later, I can dig about a foot deeper with no problems at all, and I find a ton of huge rocks and Siberian elm roots I had missed before. I don’t know if those things migrate upwards (I wouldn’t be surprised with the roots; I’d be rather surprised with the rocks), or if it’s just because the soil is now so soft and fluffy from adding tons of wood to it that I can easily just reach down and pull out rocks that would have been totally stuck before. Whatever the reason, I keep on finding it beneficial to dig up an area again a year or two later and add more wood. I obviously don’t dig up my fruit trees (except in rare cases where I have to move a young tree for some reason), but I sometimes dig around them in wider and wider rings to pull out more huge rocks and add some more wood.

I find that the trees I give lots of hugelkultur to are the ones that thrive, and the ones I don’t give hugelkultur to often die . . . probably because our sand-and-rocks soil drains all the water out and leaves them parched all summer. So I need both the hugelkultur deep in the soil and the thick wood chip mulch on top of the soil. If I do both of those things, most trees thrive. If I only do the mulch, trees tend to survive but struggle. If I don’t do either hugelkultur or mulch, trees tend to just die.

Oh, and planting everything in swales seems to help a lot, too. I’ve decided to make all my pathways into berms. This tends to require maintenance every year because foot traffic on the pathways tends to gradually wear them down and push the soil into the swales. So I need to renew them every year. This isn’t a problem at all in beds where I have root vegetables that I have to dig up, anyway; I just heap the soil onto the pathways while I dig it up. It’s harder with trees, but — on the other hand — the need to do that every year does help me gradually remove more of the tightly-packed enormous rocks from around the trees’ roots and give them more space to spread out.

I do most of my digging in the winter, when things are dormant and less likely to be bothered by it. Winter is also when my soil is moist and fluffy and easy and pleasant to dig. In summer, our soil is so dry that it’s like trying to chisel a brick. But our winter soil is just lovely. When it’s covered in snow, I don’t try to dig, but that’s only about 20% of the time. Most of our winter precipitation is rain, and most of our winter daytime highs are in the 60s and 70s. I’d say about two-thirds of our days in December, January, and February are dry and sunny with reasonable temperatures in the early afternoon. And one of the advantages of sandy soil is that it only turns into sticky mud for a day or so after a heavy rain; after that point, the soil returns to being pleasantly moist. So there are a lot of winter days in which spending a few hours outside digging into the soil during the warmest time of day is a pleasant thing to do.

. . . All that said, once I get an area really well-established, and I can tell it’s well-established because the trees are thriving and I have wine cap or oyster mushrooms sprouting up happily in the fall, I’m usually loath to dig in that spot anymore. I don’t want to mess up those lovely mycellial networks! But I’m finding that I usually have to dig two or three times in that area (and remove more rocks, and add more wood) before it’s ready to be left undisturbed. Once it’s ready to be left undisturbed, all I need to do is add more mulch (wood chips are great; autumn leaves and twigs are fine), and it’ll thrive from then on.

But to get it to that point, I often need to do a lot of digging. I often have tons of bindweed and Siberian elm roots that need to come out of a given area, and those big ol’ tightly packed rocks really can be a serious problem on their own. (I kid you not, my soil is basically 98% rocks and 2% sand from three feet on down.) That thick layer of huge-rocks-with-a-teensy-bit-of-sand-in-between seem to be incredibly fast-draining, which is the last thing my pure-sand soil needs. I’ve noticed that my fruit trees’ roots don’t even seem to try to penetrate the basically-all-rocks layer, but they’ll grow deep if I give them hugelkultur to grow into. So I really have to get those rocks out, and replace them with organic material.

On the bright side, having a very thin layer of topsoil on top of a thick layer of tons of tightly-packed rocks means we don’t get any gophers or voles around here. So that’s a wonderful blessing to be grateful for. :blush: :winking_face_with_tongue:

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O no, don’t dampen the mix, that would make it clump together, dampen the soil surface. The difference in color of the damp ground and the dry seed mix is how you can tell you are getting even coverage. If weather is dry at the time dampen the ground, a lot, unless you want the seed to just lay until it spouts on its own.

Works best if whatever you are using is close to size and consistency of the seed itself. Very dry grass clipping or leaves ground up by hand for example, works great for something like carrot or lettuce. Crumbled up soil or compost might work best for something like radish. Don’t stir or shake up the mix too much, or the seeds can separate out to themselves and not give you good coverage.

This is for if you grow such things sown in beds. That’s just how I’ve always done it but seeing photos here and there of great looking carrots and things in nice, neat rows has me thinking I might want to give that a try.

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Ohhh! Yes, of course, I didn’t think about clumping. :laughing: You’re smart! Dampening the ground and sprinkling dry soil with the seeds does make more sense.

I know what you mean about those beautiful, tidy rows of carrots. I always think, “I want that!” And then, when it comes time to sow them, I always feel too lazy to do anything more than just scatter them randomly around . . . :laughing:

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