# Super value MIXES for europeans to create grexes **URL:** \ **Category:** Seed Companies\ **Tags:** europe\ **Created:** [February 26, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/super-value-mixes-for-europeans-to-create-grexes/2150 "2024-02-26T21:29:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ThomasPicard](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/goingtoseed.discourse.group/thomaspicard/32/6491_2.png) [@ThomasPicard](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/u/ThomasPicard)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/super-value-mixes-for-europeans-to-create-grexes/2150/1 "2024-02-26T21:29:57Z")
This applies to the European context. _For sure the best thing we have to do is to share with each other, and notably within the EU serendipity seed swap, then spread locally, etc. but… Imagine it’s april, you live somewhere in Europe, let’s say in Poland, you just fall in love with this forum and this community, the overall concept of landrace gardening / adaptation agriculture, and and and… the EU serendipity seed swap just arrived in Portugal, and will have to go through Spain, then France, then Croatia, then Belgium, then Germany, then eventually Poland. So you understand that, if you wait for this seed train, for this year, it will be to late for starting your first landrace experiments, your first local adaptations! Because you have no seed, and the last seed swaps in your place were in february… You have a few euros in your pockets. Then you come accross a “low cost grexes for europeans” post on a forum and 15 days later you start landracing carrots, kales, etc…_ So while I was searching for a few things using the database, ([Framacalc - tableur collaboratif en ligne](https://lite.framacalc.org/dngaaolc92-a5dl/view)) I listed very few super value offers to make grexes to start with. Here it goes: - [Welcome to Croatian Seeds Store (mix)](https://croatianseeds-store.com/index.php/o-store/results,1-20?keyword=mix&limitstart=0&option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=0) 30seeds of 20 eggplant varieties for 2.50€, or 15 seeds of 15 different tomato varieties for the same price… Apart from those super offer they have loads of watermelon and melon varieties, each for about 2€. I used some of them last year to create separate early grexes of both. Seeds were fine. Fast delivery, serious sellers. - [Blandede Frø Arkiv - Fuglebjerggaard Netbutik Nordic Seed](https://netbutik.fuglebjerggaard.dk/produkt-kategori/oekoe-froe/blandede-froe-froe-pakker-engros-froe-storposer/blandede-froe/) Mixes of many things, notably kales, tomatoes, cherry tomatoes, faba beans, peppers, leeks, cabbages, winter pepo. … 2.5 to 3€ each mix . (I bought from them for the first time this year) - [Tomate en mélange - Tomate En Mélange à gros fruits | Association Kokopelli](https://kokopelli-semences.fr/fr/p/L0766-Tomate-En-Melange-a-gros-fruits) a few mixes at Kokopelli (type in “mélange”) like this mix of 60 seeds of 13 varieties of big tomatoes, for 3.40€ + Franck Morton lettuce’s mix and a few others. I have bought from them a couple of times over the years: quality is OK. Huge catalogue. - [https://www.germinance.com/boutique/semences\_potageres\_legumes\_fruits-tomates\_buissonnantes\_sans\_tuteur\_en\_melange-article-TPL.awp?pgnIdCategorie=36](https://www.germinance.com/boutique/semences_potageres_legumes_fruits-tomates_buissonnantes_sans_tuteur_en_melange-article-TPL.awp?pgnIdCategorie=36) Quite a few mixes here, notably this early determniate bush type tomato: 50 seeds of 13 varieties for 3.10€. then 4.50€ for 100 seeds… Or an “early tomato” mix of 11 varieties, mix of 7 zucchinis. Serious seller, selling both to gardeners and market gardeners. - [Recherche | LE BIAU GERME](https://www.biaugerme.com/recherche) Type in “assortiment” and you will find different good value mixes, for example about 40 seeds of their 12 sweet peppers for 3.50€. Or eggplants, melons, lettuces, tomatoes and a few others. Serious seller too. - [https://permaseminka.cz/](https://permaseminka.cz/) The only european seed seller doing serious landracing : some recently crossed varieties (moschatas, basil, tomatoes and others), Joseph’s pepo landrace, newly created landraces (peppers), grexes (leeks), etc. To this day I am still unsure they send to EU countries, and you need to use a translator, but it is the only one out of the 193-entries-spreadsheet to offer unstable varieties. So kind of good to start with. - _edit 25/02 : forgot about Nikitovka Seeds in Ukraine:_ excellent quality, extremely low cost, with quantities twice superior to most others for half or third of the price: [link to one of their “mix” pages](https://nikitovka.com/en/search?controller=search&s=mix&page=): different mixes of everything from carrots to watermelon (see [this mix of 13 varieties](https://nikitovka.com/en/watermelon/2002-watermelon-33-warriors-mix-4823094036771.html) for 1.19€). But… [_“With the new EU import regulations, we are unable to ship seed to EU member countries.”_](https://nikitovka.com/en/content/1-delivery) So if you are european outside of the EU you are fine. US members of this forum can also buy seeds from Nikitovka after some paper work: [link here](https://nikitovka.com/en/content/7-us-shipments). You will find mixes also, but less good value, at different stores like [semaille.com](http://semaille.com) (Belgium), haalmeeruitjetuin.be (Belgium), **[deaflora.de](http://deaflora.de)** (Germany), [bobby-seeds.com](http://bobby-seeds.com) (Germany), **[merakiseeds.com](http://merakiseeds.com)** (Greece), **vreeken.nl** (Holland), jansenzaden.nl (Holland), [valeyracexotics.com](http://valeyracexotics.com) (Hungary), [gardenseedsmarket.com](http://gardenseedsmarket.com) (Poland), kcb-samen.ch (Switzerland), etc. Beware than when a seller says that he says he sells a “collection” or an “assortment”, it is that in one box he puts each individual variety. So you pay for each individually minus 10% or so, which not extremely good value. You will find loads of other informations in the [directory](https://lite.framacalc.org/dngaaolc92-a5dl/view), if willing to find specific species, traits, etc. Carrot mixes are the most frequently sold. And also you may search for local community seed banks… with free or very good value offers… Like mine: the local group of “Maison de la Semence” (House of the Seeds), specialised in vegetables. Catalogue (french): [CATALOGUE\_Thomas Community seed bank Agrobioperigord2020.pdf](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/uploads/short-url/eabGgv5RVzo99ozSzldpmspCwHN.pdf) (2.6 MB) _That would not coast you a penny. Just you will have to follow the community guidelines,. In general you take some seeds and you return some at the end of the season. But it’s been designed for keeping mostly “pure” lines, i.e. not landracing._ Of course, if you have plenty of money you can also buy many varieties individually… if so you can use the directory to find your nearest shop and assemble the grex you want. Then anyway, see you next year for seed swapping 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mtttthwww\_vdp](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/goingtoseed.discourse.group/mtttthwww_vdp/32/1738_2.png) [@mtttthwww\_vdp](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/u/mtttthwww_vdp)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 8:38am UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/super-value-mixes-for-europeans-to-create-grexes/2150/2 "2024-02-27T08:38:37Z")
> [@ThomasPicard](#): > > To this day I am still unsure they send to EU countries [https://permaseminka.cz/](https://permaseminka.cz/) I got the Carol Deppe ‘Sweet Meat’ squash and some wild tomatoes last year (shipped to Finland) Anyway, Thomas, thanks for all the resources and videos you have been posting lately. It’s all really cool. I am trying to keep up! ---
**Author:** ![ThomasPicard](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/goingtoseed.discourse.group/thomaspicard/32/6491_2.png) [@ThomasPicard](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/u/ThomasPicard)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 9:00am UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/super-value-mixes-for-europeans-to-create-grexes/2150/3 "2024-02-27T09:00:33Z")
> [@mtttthwww\_vdp](#): > > [https://permaseminka.cz/](https://permaseminka.cz/) I got the Carol Deppe ‘Sweet Meat’ squash and some wild tomatoes last year (shipped to Finland) That is great news Matthew! So I hope to get my hands on Joseph’s pepo landrace. It will be like party time! I already have a few of Joseph’s tomato lines provided by @Justin and @JesseI through @Hugo, but I am more of a squash guy 😉 Their other seeds look impressive. Like this 3 color determinate tomato mix, rather unstable, and making huge yields [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3jrIfEa1n4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3jrIfEa1n4) Please have a look at this short video… never seen a harvest like that ! I may slow down publishing a bit in future weeks: got a new greenhouse to finish and many things to get sorted out quickly: tree sap is already flowing here. ---
**Author:** ![mtttthwww\_vdp](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/goingtoseed.discourse.group/mtttthwww_vdp/32/1738_2.png) [@mtttthwww\_vdp](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/u/mtttthwww_vdp)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 9:39am UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/super-value-mixes-for-europeans-to-create-grexes/2150/4 "2024-02-27T09:39:20Z")
> [@ThomasPicard](#): > > Please have a look at this short video… never seen a harvest like that ! 👀 Whoa! ---
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Can confirm that I also ordered from permaseminka, twice, they sent to Sweden. ---
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@julia.dakin, Thomas for President! 🙏 Seriously, @ThomasPicard, you are incredible. ---
**Author:** ![ThomasPicard](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/goingtoseed.discourse.group/thomaspicard/32/6491_2.png) [@ThomasPicard](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/u/ThomasPicard)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 6:31pm UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/super-value-mixes-for-europeans-to-create-grexes/2150/7 "2024-02-27T18:31:54Z")
Thank you Cathy 🙂 delicate day today, so that comes a blessing. 💓 ---
**Author:** ![ThomasPicard](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/goingtoseed.discourse.group/thomaspicard/32/6491_2.png) [@ThomasPicard](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/u/ThomasPicard)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2024, 1:01pm UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/super-value-mixes-for-europeans-to-create-grexes/2150/8 "2024-04-09T13:01:00Z")
This for you not to miss it: Germinance is a serious seed grower and seller, invested in the Fench Network of peasant seeds (RSP), so here you won’t find any plants with possible cytoplasmic male sterility: they offer loads of quality mixes, and they list which varities are in: When typing “mélange” in the search bar you obtain all their mixes: ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/uploads/landracegardening/original/2X/d/da9e9c2fd19e8329dd2cb731ded12133c33f5451.png) then you scroll down. There is a huge choice of different flowers, then amaranths, squashes, zucchinis, beans, onions, carrots… And then tomatoes: 11 tomato mixes!!! of all kinds: from bushy mix to beefheart mix, early mix, etc. So for all tomato lovers you can go there! For example the “early mix” with the 11 varieties listed. 3.10€ for 50 seeds. In itself this is better value than any other resseller + you know the varieties which are in the package, which is far from being always the case. ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/uploads/landracegardening/original/2X/1/115a25c6c6178716c154cc26b1a4cbf3700bdceb.png) ---
**Author:** ![ThomasPicard](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/goingtoseed.discourse.group/thomaspicard/32/6491_2.png) [@ThomasPicard](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/u/ThomasPicard)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 4:48pm UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/super-value-mixes-for-europeans-to-create-grexes/2150/9 "2024-04-15T16:48:10Z")
Not a mix but an already existing and very nice moden landrace of patisson created by Pierre Dorand from L’Aubépin [Graines Patisson salamandre - Semences biologiques](https://aubepin.fr/produit/graines-bio-graines-biologiques-patisson-salamandre#:~:text=Les%20Patissons%20Salamandre%20ont%20besoin,pied%20sans%20mouiller%20le%20feuillage). ![18-47-35-1671715710166-scaled-e1671722973867](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/uploads/landracegardening/original/2X/c/c665a71a492510d913454c32bb35bca1e5ac1a95.jpeg) Also a sweet corn modern landrace, bred from Arc-en-Ciel Inca of Kokopelli, itself being an evolving population like Astronomi Domine, created from the asembling of tens or thousands of varieties. > **[Maïs multicolore Ketzal - Aubépin, Semences Biologiques](https://aubepin.fr/produit/graines-bio-mais-doux-multicolore-ketzal)** > > Graines bio de Maïs doux multicolore Ketzal . Nos graines biologiques sont d'origine paysanne et reproductibles. En direct du producteur près d'Angers. ---
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> Citation So I hope to get my hands on Joseph’s pepo landrace. It will be like party time! Thomas you search pepo “lofthouse Zuccini landrace” or “Lofthouse winter squash acorn delicata grex” ? if it’s the second…it’s the party time. 🥳 🎉 🪩 we have it in our community stock. I have to grow it to multiply it. I will look for a field to acceuillir it away from any zucchini what will be the hardest. ---
**Author:** ![ThomasPicard](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/goingtoseed.discourse.group/thomaspicard/32/6491_2.png) [@ThomasPicard](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/u/ThomasPicard)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 5:28pm UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/super-value-mixes-for-europeans-to-create-grexes/2150/11 "2024-04-15T17:28:01Z")
Yes it is the second one [https://permaseminka.cz/2183-large\_default/lofthousova-zimni-tykev.jpg](https://permaseminka.cz/2183-large_default/lofthousova-zimni-tykev.jpg)🙂 received some seeds about a month ago. Will grow them with my grex, probably growing them in the center of my patch… ![19-30-46-lofthousova-zimni-tykev](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/uploads/landracegardening/original/2X/1/1dd2bb8462acd955a9f7f85b86f5400556e51ed0.jpeg) ---
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I have the strain from buffalo seeds USA, we can compare and match the genetics that followed different paths.