# The Montana Tomato Project and community networking

**URL:** https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/the-montana-tomato-project-and-community-networking/154
**Category:** Tomatoes
**Tags:** short-season, tomato
**Created:** [December 14, 2022, 2:30am UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/the-montana-tomato-project-and-community-networking/154 "2022-12-14T02:30:09Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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#### Post date: [August 2, 2025, 11:51pm UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/the-montana-tomato-project-and-community-networking/154/132 "2025-08-02T23:51:25Z")

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2025 crosses looks like 112 after some more checking.

293 x 366 dwarf  
294 (MMM x BAG) x PI 129143  
294 x 314  
294 x 511  
294 x 284  
294 x 303  
298 x 284  
298 x LA1385  
298 x Cosmic Purple Rain  
299 x PI 129143  
301 x LA0410  
302 x 366 dwarf new  
303 x 366 dwarf  
306 x SI promiscuous  
306 x 4-153  
309 x 303  
310 x 283 where 310 is Fruity x Exserted Orange and 283 is MMM x LA1375  
310 x 366 dwarf 310 is Fruity x Exserted Orange  
310 x PI 129143  
314 x LA1385  
314 x P1 129143 new  
321 x 366 dwarf  
321 x LA1385 New  
321 x PI 129143 new  
321 x 303 is sunviva cross  
322 pl x 366 dwarf  
324 x 303  
328 x PI 129143  
329 x 366 dwarf  
329 x PI 129143  
332 x PI 129143  
333 x 303  
336 x LA1385  
339 x LA1385  
339 x LA0410  
339 x 356  
339 x 283  
339 x 303  
339 x PI 129143  
340 x PI 129143  
342 x PI 129143  
344 x PI 129143  
346 x 303  
352 x PI 129143  
355 x 505  
359 x 303  
368 x 303  
369 x 366 dwarf  
369 x 4-153  
4-124 × PI 129143  
4-157 x 366 dwarf  
4-49 × 366 dwarf  
4-71A x PI 129143  
4-72 x 314  
4-72 x 356  
4-72 x 366  
4-72 x 303  
4-72 x 511  
4-72 x SI promiscuous  
4-74 x 366 dwarf  
4-94 × 366 dwarf  
494 x PI 129143  
494 x 366 dwarf  
494 x 314  
494 x 303  
497 x 366 dwarf  
497 x LA0410  
497 x PI 129147  
499 x LA0410  
499 x LA1385  
499 x PI 129143  
5-136 x 505  
500 x LA0410 where 500 is Dwarf Johnsons cherry x 303  
500 x LA1385  
500 x PI 129143  
500 x 314  
500 x 356  
500 x 283  
500 x Marchenwald  
501 x LA0410  
501 x LA1385 New  
503 x PI 129143 new  
504 x 366 dwarf  
504 x LA1385  
508 x 505  
513 x 366 dwarf  
515 x PI 129143  
5-69 x PI 129143  
Beaverlodge 6808 x 314  
Beaverlodge 6808 x LA1385  
Cosmic Purple Rain x 366 Dwarf  
Home Stoop x 366 dwarf  
Home Stoop x LA1385  
LA0410 x 284  
LA0410 X PI129143  
LA0410 X 303  
LA0410 X 314 (Broken String on tag needs fixed)  
LA0410 x 366 dwarf  
LA0410 X Cosmic Purple Rain  
LA0410 x 283  
LA0410 x 4-72  
LA1385 x 306  
Marchenengel x 366 dwarf  
Marchenengel x LA1385  
Matt’s Wild x 314  
PI 129143 x 303  
PI 129143 x 283  
Promiscuous x 366 dwarf  
SG-87 × 366 dwarf  
SG-87 x LA1385  
SH-13 x 366 dwarf  
SH-13 x LA1385

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#### Post date: [August 3, 2025, 11:26pm UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/the-montana-tomato-project-and-community-networking/154/133 "2025-08-03T23:26:58Z")

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Some thoughts on some lines with parents with superior flavor:

286 or F3 Dwarf Gloria’s Treat x Pimps. Notes say from orange or dark yellow mother with good flavor and a favorite.

339 The One. Mother was my favorite a rugose potato leaf dwarf with high anthocyanin expression and good flavor.

314 F2 Dwarf Eagle Smiley x (MMM x LA1375) 1/2 strength antho. Very promising flavor in F1.

My 339 line is nearing a finished variety. All that remains is to keep choosing best flavor. I may not have much seed though based on the apparent productivity of the plants.

314 deserves a larger F2 I tasted my plant and it is nicely sweet but has lost complexity.

286 I just tasted and put some seed in to ferment. It really is a Dwarf Gloria’s Treat flavored cherry tomato. Very good flavor. This year’s plant is not a dwarf. I regret not making crosses with it this year. It is in a corner of the crossing greenhouse behind a giant tomato plant. Maybe next weekend.

I’m very intrigued also by my crosses that are going after the best green when ripe flavor. Brad’s Atomic Grape produced that flavor for me last year in some selections of an domestic F2 grow out of line 294 which is MMM x Brad’s Atomic Grape and now I’ve made some exciting crosses with those selections and wild tomatoes. I’ve done the same with the 339 line above and I imagine that I’ll soon be crossing the results!

New crosses with 294  
294 (MMM x BAG) x PI 129143  
294 x 314  
294 x 511  
294 x 284  
294 x 303

New crosses with 339  
339 x LA1385  
339 x LA0410  
339 x 356  
339 x 283  
339 x 303  
339 x PI 129143

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#### Post date: [August 3, 2025, 11:28pm UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/the-montana-tomato-project-and-community-networking/154/134 "2025-08-03T23:28:33Z")

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Fun new crosses which have wild or indigenous cytoplasm.

497 x 366 dwarf 37.5%  
497 x LA0410 87.5%  
497 x PI 129147 87.5%  
LA0410 x 283 75%  
LA0410 x 284 75%  
LA0410 X 303 75%  
LA0410 X 314 75%  
LA0410 x 366 dwarf 62.5%  
LA0410 x 4-72 50%  
LA0410 X Cosmic Purple Rain 50%  
LA0410 X PI129143 100%  
LA1385 x 306 62.5%  
Matt’s Wild x 314 75%  
PI 129143 x 283 75%  
PI 129143 x 303 75%

Older crosses:  
497 is Puerto Cortez x 303 and 75% germplasm.

Galapagense x Unknown is 50% germplasm. I should grow it out and make more crosses with it.

Future crosses:

This list was so exciting that I went out today and made some more cross attempts with LA0410 and 339 The One x MM (six attempts which would be 56.25% germplasm) and 294 MMM x Brad’s Atomic Grape (5 attempts which would be 50%) as I am particularly excited about crosses with those lines for flavor and fanciness. Though I think I have some of the reverse crosses already.

Joseph Lofthouse recently posted on Facebook about a fun new cross in his garden via bees which might likely be Solanum cheesemanii x hummingbird. I would reckon that to be about 80% germplasm and with wild cytoplasm.

Lines like these stabilized and segregated for a few years then crossed back to wild tomatoes could lead to some really fun new currant and cherry tomatoes that have really high percentages of germplasm.

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I have a baker’s dozen new F1’s to process into seed after this weekend’s picking. Also 15 more lines to seed save from. So will have 29 new F1’s saved and 35 of my existing lines saved by the end of the week.

Highlights include 339 x LA0410, 339 x LA1385, and 294 x PI 129143 where 339 is The One x MM and 294 is a green when ripe antho striped selection of MMM x BAG. These crosses bring in exciting colors and flavors. I very much intend to cross the 294 F1’s with the 339 F1’s next year and perhaps again in subsequent years after some segregation to essentially repeat the wonderful segregation I got from MMM x BAG.

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#### Post date: [October 11, 2025, 4:29am UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/the-montana-tomato-project-and-community-networking/154/136 "2025-10-11T04:29:51Z")

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I have made a family of crosses this year with the South American indigenous tomato variety I got from the USDA but use the shorter accession number from TGRC for: LA0410. On the TGRC website I noticed it had bizarre flowers with many stigmas. The survivors, perhaps of long storage, in my garden had normal flowers with somewhat long stigmas causing them to be exserted from the anther cone. My favorite survivor of the two also survived a first frost and most of the following crosses are with it. Percentages stated below are of recent indigenous and wild ancestry in each cross.

301 (EO x ET) Orange x LA0410 exserted 50%

This cross is with an orange mother plant of a Exserted Orange x Exserted Tiger cross.

321 x LA0410 50%

321 is my cross between Sunviva from the European Open Source Seed and Mission Mountain Morning my cross with Big Hill HX-9 an OSSI tomato bred by Joseph Lofthouse.

339 x LA0410 No Anthocyanin Flavor Ok 56.25%

339 is The One x MM a potato leaf rugose dwarf fusion of Big Hill descended Lofthouse Promiscuous project and my Mission Mountain series.

497 x LA0410 87.5%

497 is Puerto Cortes from EFN crossed with 303 my potato leaf bicolor cherry in the Mission Mountain Series with 25% LA1375 for brown rugose virus and 25% PH5 though it would contribute 12.5% of each for this cross.

499 Yellow Anthocyanin x LA0410 62.5%

Where 499 is Dwarf Moby’s OSSI dwarf x 303

500 red x LA0410 75%

500 is Dwarf Johnson’s Cherry (A OSSI cross with Everglades current) x 303

501 Blue Bicolor x LA 0410 62.5%

501 is Mocha’s x MMS x 303

LA 0410 x 283 75% and red

283 is MMM x Brown Rugose LA1375

LA 0410 x 284 75% and red

284 is MMM x LB PH5 Pimp

LA 0410 x 286 75% tasty bicolor cherry parent

Where 286 is Dwarf Glorias Treat x either PH5 or LA1375

LA 0410 x 294 GWR Anthocyanin Striped 50%

Where 294 is Mission Mountain Morning x Brad’s Atomic Grape

LA 0410 x 303 PL Blue Bicolor 75%

303 my potato leaf bicolor cherry in the Mission Mountain Series with 25% LA1375 for brown rugose virus and 25% PH5 though it would contribute 12.5% of each for this cross.

LA 0410 x 314 75% with yellow parent

Where 314 is my cross with Dwarf Eagle Smiley itself a OSSI 50% current tomato cross from the Dwarf Tomato Project. 314 is Dwarf Eagle Smiley x (MMM x Brown Rugose LA1375)

LA 0410 x 339 56.25%

Reverse cross: 339 is The One x MM a potato leaf rugose dwarf fusion of Big Hill descended Lofthouse Promiscuous project and my Mission Mountain series.

LA 0410 x 366 Dwarf 62.5%

366 is a dwarf Payette descended cross with 25% LA1375.

LA 0410 x 511 75%

511 was a F1 in 2025 with another brown rugose resistant pimp. (Dwarf Mocha’s x MMS) x PI 390714 brown rugose true resistant pimp

LA 0410 x Cosmic Purple Rain 50%

Where Cosmic Purple Rain is the work of Casey Piscura and this is the start of a breeding line to honor him and his work.

LA 0410 x Golden Tressette 50%

Where Golden Tressette is the work of Alan Kapuler and the start of a breeding line to honor him and his work.

LA 0410 x PI 129143 100%

Where PI 129143 is a brown rugose resistant or tolerant pimp.

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MT tomato Inventory # 651  
F1 LA 0410 x 294 GWR Anthocyanin Striped 50%  
Where 294 is Mission Mountain Morning x Brad’s Atomic Grape

I planted eight fresh fermented but never dried seeds of this cross October 14th for a winter generation to try to get to F2 seed faster. I would like to get this segregated back to GWR anthocyanin striped asap for further crossing.

Also, I numbered the new crosses today. So, this one is number 651 in my tomato inventory which also includes many varieties I’ve collected.

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[‘Mission Mountain II’ Cherry/Saladette Tomato Grex – Experimental Farm Network Seed Store](https://store.experimentalfarmnetwork.org/collections/new-for-2027/products/mission-mountain-ii-cherry-saladette-tomato-grex)

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#### Post date: [January 23, 2026, 12:37am UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/the-montana-tomato-project-and-community-networking/154/139 "2026-01-23T00:37:45Z")

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Anyone else getting these: [Lofthouse Direct-Seeded Tomato – Experimental Farm Network Seed Store](https://store.experimentalfarmnetwork.org/collections/tomatoes/products/lofthouse-direct-seeded-tomato)

They will be competing against my own direct sown seeds this summer to see which ones produce mature fruit the fastest.

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#### Post date: [February 22, 2026, 5:25pm UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/the-montana-tomato-project-and-community-networking/154/140 "2026-02-22T17:25:32Z")

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> [@Patate](#):
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> Anyone else getting these: [Lofthouse Direct-Seeded Tomato – Experimental Farm Network Seed Store](https://store.experimentalfarmnetwork.org/collections/tomatoes/products/lofthouse-direct-seeded-tomato)
> 
> They will be competing against my own direct sown seeds this summer to see which ones produce mature fruit the fastest.

I think this belongs in a more general promiscuous tomato thread. This one I post updates on MT projects. I do think this is a very good strain of the Profoundly Promiscuous or Lofthouse promiscuous tomato project that will help many more folks to direct seed. Transplanting was done long before plastic (glass, metal, and wood still work great)- but I do think that direct seeding can help us cut our reliance on plastic which I think is a serious problem in the environment.

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#### Post date: [April 15, 2026, 11:24pm UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/the-montana-tomato-project-and-community-networking/154/141 "2026-04-15T23:24:07Z")

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> [@WilliamGrowsTomatoes](#):
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> My order from Seed Savers Exchange has arrived.
> 
> Tomato 1147 South American Large Round Accession 122549  
> Tomato 1962 PI 129129 (Panama) Accession 123363  
> Tomato 2067 PI 118686 (Brazil) Accession 123468  
> Tomato 1148 South American Oval Accession 122550  
> Tomato 2065 PI 79532 (Peru) Accession 123466  
> Tomato 5658 PI 158171 (Venezuela) Accession 127037  
> Tomato 5659 PI 158164 (Venezuela) Accession 127038  
> Tomato 4852 Peruvian Bush Accession 126231  
> Tomato 4848 Oaxacan Pink Accession 126227  
> Tomato 2070 PI 128445 (Argentina) Accession 123471
> 
> I also accidentally ordered the variety Perun a yellow pear type from the Czech Republic. Oops, it came up when I searched for Peru.
> 
> I suspect that there are more tomatoes of interest from South America, and I think I passed up a few, at the Seed Saver’s Exchange but it may be the case that they are just hiding and need just the right search term to find. The seed savers exchange is also a place where many accessions from the USDA-ARS-GRIN of domestic heirloom tomatoes have been made available again after otherwise dying out- thus the PI numbers on many of these.

Was curious if these have made it into the rotation yet for growing or crossing? And if the plants/fruits seem much different than our easily available varieties?

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#### Post date: [April 27, 2026, 3:54am UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/the-montana-tomato-project-and-community-networking/154/142 "2026-04-27T03:54:27Z")

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I grew them and saved a little seed in 2023. I don’t know that I managed many crosses with them.

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#### Post date: [May 24, 2026, 2:20am UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/the-montana-tomato-project-and-community-networking/154/143 "2026-05-24T02:20:00Z")

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Planted my main group of transplants today. About 50 mainly clumps of plants but some singles. The three hybrids I planted a few weeks ago froze pretty hard. I planted a Galahad and another Sunsugar today. I also weeded on the oldest rows of direct seeded tomatoes. I think frost thinned those nicely. Newer ones aren’t up. Presumably the friendly neighbor dogs weren’t nice to my cow pot direct seeding experiment- but one pot did sprout and more may yet. Some got dog obliterated. I do have 26 cells of wild and indigenous germplasm lines at the cotyledon stage to add to them in a few weeks.

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I planted some more tomatoes. We are having quite the rain event, so I put out the small seedling clumps of the wild and indigenous tomatoes I got started late. They grew quite a lot in the greenhouse compared to the direct seeded tomatoes of approximately the same age that were out in the cold. This will be great though I think because everything will harden off nicely in the rain and get growing when the weather improves. There is too much perennial grass in the old, fenced garden where I planted everything. I replaced the Sungold I fed to the frost and added a Celebrity to replace the Bush Early Girl, but the latter is also resprouting from being frosted badly. I also bought and planted a Rose de Berne, a Black Cherry, and a Stupice. All varieties I have seed for but that I didn’t grow myself- and which I would like to make crosses with if I get the chance!

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#### Post date: [June 14, 2026, 6:11pm UTC](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/the-montana-tomato-project-and-community-networking/154/145 "2026-06-14T18:11:14Z")

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Yesterday I started but did not finish the first weed through of many of the direct seeded tomatoes and also worked weeding around the transplanted tomatoes. Varying damage from the late frosts including on Monday the 8th.

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Mission Mountain grex growout in northern central ohio. And TheOne x is The One crossing block, from William. All planted the same day. Same conditions as starts and in the garden. We did just come through a heat wave so I’m assuming some of the lack of fruits is what would have been ramping up but dropped in the heat. But I have alot of others with tiny new fruits starting so… nature… 🤷‍♀️

All starts seeded March 13 inside under grow lights. Transplanted in garden May 21.

MMG 1. Very slight plant. A couple small fruits starting. Few flowers.

 ![20260711_190458](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/uploads/landracegardening/original/3X/d/7/d740d0f0da4badff2ed9d4688bf0ab2673fe9b5b.jpeg)

MMG 2. Very slight plant. One fruit starting to form. Few flowers. Antho.

 ![20260711_190540](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/uploads/landracegardening/original/3X/0/8/0850e82c38fdf75e8d816e4202a5e0c34bbeab8a.jpeg)

MMG 3. A few fruits at the bottom. A couple just barely starting at the top. Some flowers. Antho.

 ![20260711_190622](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/uploads/landracegardening/original/3X/f/0/f09517ad85c89cc0644b116388f164a5a9b3ba2b.jpeg)

MMG 4. A few small fruit starting. Maybe cherry size?

MMG 5. Lots of fruits growing. Antho. Ribbed fruits. Some flowering. This one needs tied up more.

 ![20260711_190727](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/uploads/landracegardening/original/3X/b/e/beb3b889711953587971ef890bc939980f945d74.jpeg)

MMG 6. Lots of fruit. Somw flowers.

 ![20260711_190818](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/uploads/landracegardening/original/3X/f/a/fab03bbb79dd94e650898a7884e2e5f345264036.jpeg)

MMG 7. Just loaded with fruits. Possibly determinant? Antho.

 ![20260711_190857](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/uploads/landracegardening/original/3X/7/9/79a3c6a810b315d576e4eca3d17cb92efcb76f44.jpeg)

MMG 8. Some fruits at the bottom. Some flowering. This one pre-trimming had alot of branching with no flowering.

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MMG 9. Potato leaf. Dwarf. First ripe fruit July 3. Antho, orange. Nice stocky stem. Several fruits. Some flowering. Good sized plant and didn’t get too jungley. Much better looking plant than any of my dwarf tomato project plants are.

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TheOne x 1. Vigorous plant. No fruit, few flowers. I trimmed this plant alot but none of the branches had flowers except the odd one at the bottom and at the very top.

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TheOne x 2. Some flowering. No fruits.

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TheOne x 3 culled for disease.

TheOne x 4. Few flowers. No fruits.

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TheOne x 5. A couple fruits at bottom.

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TheOne x 6. Flowering. No fruit.

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TheOne x 7. Flowering. No fruit.

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Exserted Orange. You probably don’t need more feedback about this one, but thought it was good for comparison. Since it’s full domestic. Lots of fruit. 2 plants in one spot still didn’t get as jungley as some other single plants did.

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There was extensive hail damage to my main tomato garden from a storm that rolled through Friday night. The plants will recover but they lost set fruit of which there wasn’t much yet because of the June 8th frost. Daytime temperatures are hovering around 90 F for the foreseeable forecast which is supposed to be the temperature at which pollen deactivates. I suspect that there will be just a few tomatoes and then a very late larger harvest. Oh, also bumblebees appear to be few this year perhaps because of the weird snowless winter.

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That is great. How are they doing compared to say a standard Ohio tomato variety? They tend to be quite small plants in my garden but that is with 7 inches of topsoil over a clay accumulation layer so I’m curious if the small size is genetics from the early parents or my soil. I don’t mind hearing about Exserted Orange. Though Exserted Orange and really most of these are a few years of crossing behind most of my current work. Some of them are pure domestic x domestic crosses. I decided after 2025’s awesome crossing year that I would mostly grow out crosses that are at least 50% indigenous and or wild germplasm mostly from South America where most tomato diversity is after realizing I was up to 70 lines like that. I’m still growing out The One x MM which is a potato leaf blue bicolor dwarf with 12.5% wild genes from Joseph- it’s got to be getting closer to stable but will see if the percentage of really good tasting plants goes up this year! It crossed a little last year because one of the best tasting plants was in the main garden- so I am rouging out regular leaf plants. Found another one yesterday.

Your MMG9 plant looks like it would fit into The One x MM grow out just fine but it could also be a different line entirely.

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I got my first five tomatoes from three of the new 2025 F1’s today. Plants that got some extra protection from a thick layer of sand for the June 8th frost. Cherry tomatoes.

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Compared to a standard Ohio variety… I don’t have a standard Ohio variety, because I’m always trying things out. But I can compare them to what I’ve grown in this garden this and last year. It seems a split between 1) no production, because genetics or because heat wave when they should have been ramping up? 2) high production, more compact plants. 3) tiny plants with 3-7 fruits that seem to just not grow?? I have considered this could be environmental too because the runty plants of MMG and Wildling are on the same end of garden beds. But not entirely environmental because the next plant in the row is growing perfectly normal. For comparison these plants are now smaller than my volunteer plant that I pulled and used to replace a plant that died. That was about June 11. And I started everything inside mid March. And the volunteer is loaded with fruits.

I feel I was right to cull the diseased plant (MMG 3) because nothing else has had any troubles.

My Exserted Orange seems to be one deep orange fruited and one orangey-yellow fruited.

MMG 1- waiting on fruits to ripen. Tiny runty plant.

MMG 2- waiting on fruits to ripen. Tiny runty plant.

MMG 3- oblong, red, antho. First ripe fruit July 24. Runty plant.

MMG 4- oblong cherry (grape?), red. July 21.

MMG 5- red, antho. July 23. Had few seeds??

MMG 6- orange. July 15.

MMG 7- yellow, low antho. July 7, LOADED with fruits! July 17. Most fruits so far!

MMG 8- oblong cherry, red. July 7.

MMG 9- red, antho. Potato leaf, dwarf.

TheOne x 2- first ripe fruits July 30. Neat color. Warm pale yellow with a blush of like coral shade on the sun side.

TheOne x 1, 4-7 - waiting for fruits to ripen.

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Linking to my post to not clutter this post with non related pics. This post and the next two are pics of fruits. I forgot to take separate pics of MMG fruits.

> [@Kadence's garden and landrace thread](https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/kadences-garden-and-landrace-thread/440/229):
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> Pics from 2 days of July tomatoes. The early MMG 7 fruits had less antho than the ones now do.

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