Beyond Seed Saving: Unlocking Faba Potential for Gout & Hot Climates via Fermentation (Eat-All-Greens & Faba Milk)

Hi everyone,

I wanted to open a standalone discussion here because I believe this topic has a huge global impact—not just for people with metabolic sensitivities, but also for hot regions where faba pollen becomes sterile from heat and plants cannot set mature seeds. You don’t need seeds to get high-quality nutrition from Vicia faba.

I suffer from gout and compromised liver function, meaning I shouldn’t eat legumes due to high purine levels. Instead of quitting faba beans, I engineered a way to bypass their defenses using biochemistry and fermentation.

I recently shared my detailed technical background on this in the European Fava focus thread (you can read my full initial post and historical notes here:
FAVA BEANS 2025-26 european focus crop - #85 by Hynek_560mnm ).

*Line A: Multi-podded selection pushing an elite cluster of 5 uniform pods from a single node.*

*Line B: High-yielding continuous selection with a massive, heavy pod-set all the way up the stem.*

To bring the core idea to the main wall, I have developed two parallel bio-processing protocols that neutralize purines, lectins, and anti-nutritional compounds through deep enzymatic proteolysis:

1. THE GREEN LINE: Fermented Shoots (Eat-All-Greens Method)

  • Method: Lactic fermentation of young (15–25 cm) shoots using Umeboshi vinegar and whey. This is ideal for heat-stressed tropical/arid regions where plants fail to produce pods but can produce massive biomass.
  • Result: A liver-safe, high-nutrient food with purines broken down by active fermentation.

2. THE DRY LINE: Full-Spectrum Faba Milk Protocol

  • Method: Soaking (or optional germination/sprouting to trigger internal enzymatic breakdown), thorough dehulling of the seed coats, and subsequent fermentation of the mature seeds using lactic acid bacteria to completely neutralize purines and lectins.
  • Result: A probiotic-rich, allergen-free alternative to soy milk with no digestive or metabolic issues.

By switching from only seed-saving to active bio-processing, Vicia faba can become a global staple even in environments where it cannot set fruit. (Organic Faba definitely deserves to step out of the shadow of corporate GMO soy.)

I’d love to start a broader conversation here with fellow growers, breeders, and researchers, especially those working in warmer or arid climates!

P.S. Just to clarify my current breeding architecture: The ultra-early “speedster” lines are already dried and frozen to eradicate weevils. The high-yielding, multi-podded lines (like the ones in the photos) are later-maturing and currently finishing up in the field. My plan for next season is to cross them to combine earliness with this high yield potential.

I will be splitting this elite seed: part as a backup, part into the main grex for promiscuous pollination, and the rest for a swap. For next spring, I am mixing my own selections with the fresh faba grex leftovers from a fellow Czech member (Tomas) and my recent commercial accessions from Germany (such as Suttons Dwarf, Reina Mora, Hangdown, etc.). My ultimate goal is to also incorporate rare Andean Habas genetics, provided they have already been acclimated and filtered through Scandinavian or high-alpine selections to handle long-day photoperiods and cold mountain nights.



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Hi @Hynek_560mnm .

This is very creative and interesting. Favas are a very easy and productive crop for me and I’m still learning how best to utilize them beyond cover cropping and eating boiled/shelled beans when fresh.

I know the other parts of the plant are edible, but have not enjoyed the flavor of cooked young pods and prefer other greens that grow well for me like kale/collards over the green fava shoots.

Do you have much experience with these proposed processing methods, or are they more theoretical at this point? Can you share a bit more about what the finished products taste like or how you like to use them? Do you have any photos you can share?

Thanks!

Hi, thanks for the great questions!

To be completely precise: I am currently managing this process live. The core inspiration for utilizing these green parts comes from the renowned British ethnobotanist Jamese Wong and his philosophy of breeding for ultimate flavor. However, because of my metabolic issues (gout), I had to take Wong’s culinary ideas a step further and introduce lactic fermentation to break down the purines and antinutrients that standard cooking cannot clear.

I am currently setting up a dedicated summer sowing specifically to document the entire process from soil to jar. I don’t have the final fermented photos right now, but I will capture and share the step-by-step visual record (sprouting, dehulling, and the fermentation jars) as the season progresses .

To give you a culinary perspective on why these parts are a hidden gem, here is what the baseline flavor looks like before my fermentation protocol, as highlighted by James Won g:

  • Young Pods:Traditional manuals tell you to harvest when the seeds are huge and starchy. In Spain and France, they harvest them when they are no bigger than a pinky fingernail. Varieties like ‘Statissa’ and ‘Stereo’ are bred specifically for this. When young and short (index-finger length), they have a sweet, nutty, mangetout-like flavor and can be grilled or used fresh in sala ds.
  • Green Shoots:We are always told to pinch off the top 7 cm of the stems after flowering to defeat aphids and boost seed growth. But almost no one mentions that these succulent, juicy tops are a famous delicacy in Northern Spain. They have the sweetness of young faba seeds with a refreshing, fleshy texture—incredible when quickly sautéed with garlic in olive oil.

My addition to this:
While Wong celebrates these as fresh delicacies, my lactic fermentation (using Umeboshi and whey) strips away the raw, grassy bitterness and safely metabolizes the purines. It transforms the shoots into a tangy, savory green condiment (similar to premium fermented wild capers or sour kraut) and turns the dehulled, sprouted seeds into a clean, smooth probiotic milk that easily rivals corporate GMO soy.

I will post the complete photo-documentation as soon as the summer-sown batch enters the fermentation phase! At least, I hope so : -)

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