Kale Landrace Projects

2022-06-16T07:00:00Z

BBF Kale(ish) Landrace

I’m a fan of the Brassica oleracea kales so I’m keen to start a landrace. I should say restart because I allowed multiple kales to cross about 12 years ago but a hiatus in access to land of several years meant those seeds lost viability. Not to worry. Easy to start again, and the great thing about kales is that you can eat while you develop, unlike for example a tomato landrace started by crossing with S. habrochaites. In that case I’m fully expecting off flavours initially.
Anyway, I’ve planted out a collection of kales (Baltic Red, Dazzling Blue, Lacinato Rainbow, Madeley, Pentland Brig and Red Borecole)along with some Purple Peacock broccoli.
My interests are:

  1. the ability to cope with the depredations of the cabbage white butterfly and
  2. tender leaves throughout winter.

Our winters aren’t harsh by Canadian or northern US standards* but we get plenty of nights below freezing. I sow kales mid-summer so that the plants have some size to them before they stop growing over winter.
I’m looking forward to it. I’ve already culled a couple of plants that were nothing but a few wispy bits of lace after the cabbage white had its wicked way!
*I’m at roughly the same latitude as Houston, Texas and Jacksonville, Florida though I’m at 1000m (approx. 3300ft) altitude which has quite an impact.

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Mark R
Based on my experience with a similar project and the way you describe your climate I expect you will have great success. In mine, where the kales are a rather small part, in there just for the extra cold hardiness, we are really enjoying the fresh growth that come on in late winter into spring. Leaves and flower buds are good too of course but the flower stalks are amazing. Tender and almost sweet in some plants. You can harvest over and over again from the same plants and still get plenty of seeds.

Ray S
Yes, brassicas are extremely useful. The post about your broccolish landrace was very inspiring and gave me extra motivation to start this kale landrace.

Greenstorm
This sounds like a nice project. Kale is another one of those plants that is so pretty when it’s diverse, too. I’ll enjoy following this project along.

Gregg Muller
I’ll have to keep my eye on this one Ray. Just sowed my 9 year old Dazzling Blue seed, which came up! Is it a nice Kale ?

Ray S
I’ve grown Dazzling Blue quite a few times. A nice kale imho, but I like kale so may be better to ask someone who doesn’t :grin: It was also very popular at market though we don’t do that any more.

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I’ve got a Brassica cross. Easily the most vigorous and the most cold hardy of all Brassica’s.
I thought it was a mix between a Borekale and a Russian Red Kale, but maybe it’s Russian Red Kale / Bruxelles Sprouts.
Any ideas? Check that stem!


It’s head looks like a mix to me

Mommy’s baby, daddy’s maybe this one’s father.

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Looks good. If it’s a cross between Red Russian and either of the other two you mentioned then it’s an interspecific cross (B. napus x B. oleracea). Exciting.

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Very interesting. I got a packet of Dutch Siberian napus kale grex (from EFN I think) and I’ve been really tempted to start a tiny bit of it inside to be planted out as early as possible. And maybe even harvest a couple snips before it can be planted out just grown inside.

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Some “greasy” collard genetics seem to have snuck into my kale mix, and the result is awfully pretty! Haven’t tasted this one yet, but I’m seeing a lot of volunteers come up with this trait.

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Beautiful! Can’t wait to start my kale mix!

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Wow! Looks almost like a beet leaf. Lovely.

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I’ve collected seeds of the russian red kale(RRK)borecole mix which seeded next to a survivor borekale (BK).
My borekale’s struggle. They’re eaten by everything. Snails, jumpy beetles, kale butterfly caterpillars constantly.
I liked my RRK BK mix but i want it to be more borekale like.
So i was happy to see they flowered at the same time and witnessed cross pollination events.
I’ve let it go to seed, saved the seeds seperately. The rrk had lots more and bigger seeds. I’ve seeded at the same time.
This is what came up.
The seeds from the borekale did not so well, but i sée two distinct phénotypes. Redish stems ans green stems. Redish being bigger than green ones.


The RRK seeds did much better. Many reddish colorés stems, but green ones too!

Because the RRK was already a mix between RRK ans BK i’m not sure whether those are crosses back with BK. But i’m pretty sure the BK’s seedlings are.
Anyway it doesn’t really matter. I’ve replanted them all together. They are all going to be nice food if they survive ans thrive and i’ll select for strong healthy plants with a slight favorability towards BK types.

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I have some seed from a couple of mixed strains of spigarello. It is a perennial kale from southern Italy/sicily which copes well with hot australian summers (the only kale that flowered for me in SE Qld). Excellent quality leaves, of a bit on the small side compared to other strains. Let me know if you want a sample of seed to add to your mix. I am discontinuing growing it since B. carinata does a better job for me in the role.

@Shane. That’s very generous of you. I’m keen, but have to décline because it’s too cold hère. I’d love to receive seeds of someone growing those (Spigarello or B Carinata)out in the mediteranian and then cross with cold hardier Brassica.
I’ve looked into Texsel at one point, but couldn’t find seeds on this side of the big pond… I’ll give it another shot.

Out of stock but not out of reach.

I have texcel greens seed coming out my ears right now. Definitely inferior to the “ethiopian kale” form of B. carinata in circulation locally as a vegetable, but maybe more useful as a seed crop.
You don’t know how cold hardy spigarello is until you try it. Since it is B. oleracea I wouldnt be surprised if it is tougher than you expect. My population is a recent grex of two different lines, which might give it more functional range as well. Happy to send seed to serious breeders for the cost of postage.

I think there are several aspects to consider with kale or any breeding project. Genetics, definitely… I think that’s the first consideration. But there are other things to consider. Like, how are you approaching the cultivation of the kale. How much space can you dedicate to the project. What are your selection criteria. How much seed are you saving and replanting. Even when we think we are discussing the same thing, we might not quite be. We might be approaching the same things very differently.

For myself, I like to start by considering the nature of the plant. In the case of Brassica oleracea it has a tremendous diversity of phenotypes and a very wide geographic range. It can be annual, biennial or even a short lived perennial. So potentially there’s a lot to work with.

As a wild plant, it tends to be a biennial weed that grows on disturbed ground. It produces a lot of seeds which tend to form dense mats of seedlings that crowd out competitors and conserve moisture. Natural selective pressure tends to thin those mats over time, and the survivors grow larger. The least fit individuals are naturally culled. However, even the culled individuals performed an important function for the collective at the early seedling mat stage. Therefore, for the species the culls were useful but expendable little soldiers.

Therefore, one of my goals is to have sufficient quantity of seed that I can scatter seed thickly, directly in the planting bed. I only start kale in containers or plant kale in rows when I only have a few seeds to work with. That’s a temporary expedient while I work on generating a larger quantity of seed. Another temporary expedient for first generation kale might be to use row cover over the winter.

A natural stand of kale would follow a disturbance such as fire, grazing, erosion, plowing, etc. The stand would last at least two years. Perhaps it might persist for a few more years but over time natural succession would begin to displace wild kale with perennials unless there were another disturbance to the ground.

As kale goes to seed and dies, many tall, dry stalks are left standing. These dead stalks are good habitat for pollinating and predatory insects and good fuel for low-intensity fires. Low-intensity fire is a disturbance that promotes the establishment of more kale seedlings. Fire clears the land, kills pathogens and the ash releases nutrients that kale appreciates. Where possible, I like to periodically burn my garden.

The kale stand might grow in association or proximity with other early-successional species; probably any number of local weeds and wildflowers. Such ecological communities tend to contain many pollinating and predatory insects such as wasps. Wasps would naturally keep populations of white cabbage butterflies in check. As kale plants mature and flower they attract the wasps that defend the kale. Even before kale matures, many wasps may be observed patrolling the kale patch in search of prey such as white cabbage butterfly caterpillars. I do everything I can to encourage the presence of multiple wasp species. This includes not being fussy about weeds, and leaving areas of the garden relatively undisturbed as habitat for wasps. I make friends with my wasps; they are important allies.

I started my kale project in Western Washington zone 8a where summer temperatures traditionally were in the 70s and winter temperatures get down to 10F. That’s actually a pretty ideal climate for kale. First generation I grew dozens of Red Russian, Blue Vates, Lacinato, and Green Prism kale starts together. Lacinato didn’t fare well over winter. Most of the rest survived the winter and went to seed the following year. I collected a gallon-size ziplock freezer bag worth of seed which I just mixed together.

Then I moved to Western Illinois zone 5b where summer temperatures are high 90s to low 100s, and winter temps down to teens below zero. Here I planted about 2/3 of my saved seed thickly scattered in multiple locations. Some in raised beds, most in a flat plot. During a hot, drought condition summer I watered only the raised beds which had hundreds of crowded seedlings. The flat plot contains thousands of crowded seedlings and these I left essentially undisturbed. I also have two Redbor kale individuals someone gifted me.

Interestingly, the untended flat plot has higher survival rates. The beds that I watered attracted isopods (aka roly-polies) which attacked and killed many seedlings. However the watered plants that survived depredation are larger in size than those in the untended patch.

The Red Russian phenotype dominates, but there are variations in color shading from red, green, and blue in the leaves. Almost all plants have red veins. There are two distinct stem phenotypes. One is taller and thinner; the other is short and thick. The short, thick-stemmed ones seem to be holding up better in the winter. Both phenotypes are small compared to most cultivated kale; not more than 2 feet with most in the untended patch about a foot tall.

Up until Jan 10 the winter has been mild, little snow, with a brief spell of 9F the lowest temperature but most low temps have been in the 20s, 30s or even 40s. Unusually warm. However we are now heading into a much colder regime with about 10 inches of snow and more in the forecast. Low temperatures are forecast to plummet into negative teens over the next week. I expect losses but am hopeful that with so many plants and with snow cover a fair number may survive.

Flavor of my kale patch is comparable to the Red Russian it resembles. The small plants don’t individually provide a lot of leaves but collectively they provide plenty for me. For now my main goals are low maintenance, summer and winter hardiness and successful seed production. Over time I may select for larger plants.

For this coming growing season I will be starting EFN’s “‘Homesteader’s Kaleidoscopic Perennial’ Kale Grex” Brassica oleracea var. ramosa in containers and planting out probably in a raised bed.

I’m also going to start EFN’s “Ultracross Collards” Brassica oleracea var. viridis in containers and planting out probably in a raised bed.

Starting in containers and planting into raised beds just makes it easier for me to tend a small number of new, high-value plants. If I can get them to overwinter and go to seed I plan to mix it all up with my kale seed and go with untended mass plantings.

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I have a huge problem with actually overwintering kale. This winter has been even worse than the previous one and that killed off all my kale. Now we had -38C (just short of -40F) for a whole week, but also the rest of the winter has been extreme so far, -20F or colder, day and night for weeks, well months now and it started unusually early. My soil freezes down to 6 feet regularly, this year probably much deeper. Nothing can survive that and I have no greenhouse but even if I had one I couldn’t keep the temp up in that either against such outside temps.

So what I do it now, for the second time I cut kale stems at the end of the season and try to overwinter them by layering them in soil in my potato storage, at 5C (41F). Except they experienced extended -30C/-22F again, just like last year before I could even cut and rescue them… It suddenly got so effin cold I couldn’t get there as my car battery died on me! They were in that temp for a week before I could rescue them, without snow cover.


Last year when I opened the boxes it was too late, most had become mush in the soil. Now I started earlier and opened the boxes two days ago. Replanted the few surviving stems in pots. Two had the beginnings of roots. Most is oleracea this time, last year most was napus. Not sure there will be any survivors but I will keep trying.

Maybe this one will make it.

The rest IDK, some have distinct frost damage; no wonder, I almost suffered frost damage myself while collecting them!

I will probably try one more winter and then give up for good if I don’t manage to OW a single kale at my location by then.


I can and have produced own seed by forcing them to bolt in their first year. I did that with Bare Necessities last year by planting them indoors two months before my normal sowing time and then cold shocking them for weeks while still in the ski season. That did the trick and I managed to push them into bolting, but hard to filter out early bolting genetics that way. I also must have a control patch every time to make sure the same population wouldn’t bolt if sown normally. Takes too much space etc.

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