Hybrids, Crosses, and Other "Monsters"

A hybrid or a crossbreed shouldn’t be seen as some sort of cursed monster. It is completely innocent; it simply has a “mother” and a “father”. In fact, almost all varieties that gardeners try to keep “pure” today were originally created through crossing. With some, we no longer remember the process, but with others, we do. For instance, on the Czech website Permasemínka, in their “Pestré osivo” (Diverse Seeds) section, you can find the Painted Mountain flour corn. It was developed by crossing more than seventy heritage corn varieties rescued from indigenous peoples and homesteaders living in the harshest climates of the US and Canada. Its earliness is legendary.

The main trouble with commercially sold F1 hybrids is that you end up with seeds of a plant that might suit you perfectly, but you have absolutely no idea who its “mother” or “father” was. Seed companies keep this a secret so that we are forced to buy from them over and over again. If we knew the “parents,” we could simply cross them ourselves and stop generating such huge profits for the seed corporations. (Assuming both parents are open-pollinated; if they were F1 hybrids themselves, we would get hopelessly lost in our own ignorance.)

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Therefore, we can categorize crosses based on whether we have full information about their origin or not. Some passionate seed savers, when selling hybrid seeds, openly share information about the “parents.” For example, Joseph Lofthouse, in his book Landrace Gardening (Food Security Through Biodiversity and Promiscuous Pollination), mentions that his ‘Paradise’ sweet corn (also an F1) has ‘Astronomy Domine’ as the mother, while the pollen is supplied by fathers like ‘Who Gets Kissed’ or ‘Ambrosia’.

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Personally, I would divide them into “unconscious crossing” (hybrids with a secret) as opposed to “conscious crossing” (with full information about the “parents”).
The third category would be “accidental crossing,” when who-knows-what flies in from who-knows-where, just as it happens naturally in the “wild.”
And the fourth would probably be “forced crossing,” where breeders compel plants that wouldn’t normally cross to do so under highly non-standard conditions. Mind you, this is not genetic manipulation like GMO (Genetically Modified Organism). It is still traditional plant breeding. I also understand that these seeds are not protected by patents, unlike GMOs. (These principles are beautifully described in Carol Deppe’s book Breed Your Own Vegetable Varieties, which I have mostly translated for myself, though I still struggle a bit with the appendix “801 Varieties of Interest,” especially matching the official and colloquial Czech names.)

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Then come certain overlaps. One of them is the “Dehybridization of Hybrids”—a long-term, multi-year process of selection and crossing, as described by the “blessed” Carol Deppe in The Tao of Vegetable Gardening as well as in Breed Your Own Vegetable Varieties.
Dehybridization can be “miraculously” shortened to a single year if a seller cheats and markets an open-pollinated variety as an F1 hybrid just to discourage you from saving your own seeds. Apparently, this used to happen—breeder Alan Kapuler referred to these as “pseudohybrids.”

In some commercial F1 hybrids, cytoplasmic male sterility (CMS) is intentionally introduced. This means that the subsequent offspring (F2) do not produce any pollen in their male flowers. There is a very high probability of this occurring in F1 hybrids of radish, sunflower, cabbage, kale, broccoli, and other brassicas, as well as onions, carrots, and parsnips.
Even so, seeds can still be produced if such a hybrid is pollinated by a different plant, but the male sterility continues to be passed down.
Although the genes for male sterility travel uncompromisingly along the maternal line, nature gives us breeders a powerful weapon in the form of genetic restorers (fertility restorers). These genes are carried in the pollen nucleus of many fertile Cucurbita maxima varieties. If this correct pollen hits a sterile mother during mass crossing (a polycross), it can override the sterility in the next generation, restoring full fertility and the ability to produce pollen to the plants.

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And now we come to squashes, watermelons, and interspecific hybrids.
Squash (Cucurbita) is a genus within the gourd family (Cucurbitaceae). The genus Cucurbita includes the following species: Cucurbita pepo, Cucurbita maxima, Cucurbita moschata, and Cucurbita argyrosperma(formerly C. mixta). And, of course, Cucurbita ficifolia (the fig-leaf gourd). Under normal conditions, these species do not cross with one another.
Then we have Citrullus lanatus, commonly known by its fruit as “Watermelon,” which is a somewhat distant relative of squashes—just one tier up, it is also a genus within the Cucurbitaceae family.

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Next comes “crossing with mild force.”
Breeders in Japan successfully crossed Cucurbita maxima and Cucurbita moschata, creating a hybrid sold under the name Tetsukabuto F1. In our country, hybrids based on the same principle are available under the names Sprinter F1 or Bolt F1—used as rootstocks for grafting cucumbers and melons. They are supposed to have male sterility. Joseph Lofthouse tried to breed subsequent crosses using Cucurbita maxima on one side and Cucurbita moschata on the other to provide the missing pollen to the mothers. It worked. He then selected for restored fertility and eventually for excellent flavor. He named his creations Maximoss and Moschamax. I’m sure you can guess why :wink:. In his book, he encourages others to replicate the process.

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So, I decided to join in and replicate the process under my own conditions.
After the last spring frosts, I sowed pre-germinated seeds of Sprinter F1 (Cucurbita maxima x Cucurbita moschata) directly into the garden within reach of C. maxima. On one bed, they were near Sunshine F1; on the other, at the far end of the garden, they were near Sweet Meat Oregon Homestead (SMOH) - or at least, that’s what I thought it was at the time. I did not perform manual pollination; the insects took care of it. Even though the plants had weeded beds, they only produced one medium-to-large fruit each (5.9 kg, 5.0 kg, 3.8 kg) of a dark, almost “black” green color. (The “SMOH,” which was sown about a month later, produced about 3 fruits per plant. Note: This was actually the interspecific hybrid Otín Maximoss, more on that in the next article.) On the bed with Sunshine F1, there were three plants, and all three individual fruits had a heavily wrinkled, warty surface; one fruit was more deformed on the side, likely from resting on its flank on the ground.

The fruit next to SMOH had a smooth surface with only a hint of ribbing, a spherical shape, and was smaller compared to the previous three (2.5 kg). Just like my other winter squash, these fruits are stored in a heated living space. The wrinkled fruits (crossed with Sunshine F1) are beginning to change color in patches, while the “globe” (crossed with SMOH) remains unchanged for now. (Note: It colored up later.)

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Breeders in Ukraine successfully crossed Cucurbita maxima and Citrullus lanatus (Watermelon), naming the result Kavbuz (кавбуз). It is an abbreviation of two words: watermelon = kavun (кавун) and squash/pumpkin = garbuz (гарбуз).
I bought the seeds from a German e-shop (natalino-shop.de), though they didn’t have them in stock just now. But they are offered elsewhere too. I couldn’t find any information anywhere on whether Kavbuz carries male sterility. I sowed the seeds. The plant grew, flowered, and set fruit. However, because I was about a month late with the sowing (due to manually preparing the bed for corn), combined with a strange summer and an early frost in September, the fruits were small and highly immature. (Slightly over three months of growth. Note: Otín Maximoss, on the other hand, produced multiple medium-sized fruits packed with seeds.) I harvested only one fruit from the Kavbuz plant, about the size of a coconut, only perfectly round. Throughout the entire storage period, the skin did not harden at all. A few seeds did form, but they were smaller than the ones I originally purchased. So, next season I will hopefully start on time using the purchased seeds from scratch, and hopefully, the season will be more reasonable too.

(Note: The article “With Interspecific Squash Hybrids, the Dam Seems to Have Burst, or Hybrid is Not a F-Word” follows. And well, plans are plans; I didn’t start on time, so my growing and breeding could be summarized by the motto “FOREVER RUNNING LATE” - but with a bit of a squint, it can totally be considered a “targeted” breeding strategy :wink:.)

If the text seems a bit austere or, on the contrary, overly bombastic, it might be the influence of the AI that helped me with the translation. :wink:

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Hi jaroslav,

What is the pulpit color of kavbuz?

The last picture seem more at a maxima.

The others pictures seem at interspecific cross between cucurbita maxima and moschata.

Sunshine F1 is far to cucurbita moschat. for a efficient cross with interspecific hybrid.

Green or blue maxima is more near of moschata.

Hi Adrian,
That last photo shows a fruit that grew from kavbuz seeds. I don’t know yet if it crossed with anything. The seeds (both the ones from the store and the ones I grew at home) are just about to sprout. The final fruit was a little darker and round, about the size of a coconut. But I don’t have a photo of that fruit.
And please call me Hynek

Ok Hyneck,

The pulpit of kavbuz is red, white or yellow?

Cucurbita maxima x citullus lunatus seem difficult to crossed.

It seem very funny, what at look like the leafs of the plant?

The seeds of sprtinter xsunshine F1 will have some difficulties to germinate.

Hi Adrian,

If I remember correctly, I think they were yellow. The colors of the rind in the photos were mottled in various ways, but I don’t know if that’s standard or if it varies.

As for crossing the Maxima and watermelon, I believe they went to great lengths to make it happen in Ukraine. I have no idea how subsequent crossbreeding of an already established hybrid works, but something tells me that once the barrier has been broken, it’ll be easier.

And the fact that the smaller “kavbuz” seeds are so vigorous is shown by the fact that they germinated after just 24 hours.

I think the problem of sterility in interspecific hybrids can be overcome by a massive influx of paternal genetic material, as well as pollen mixes from different varieties and species. But sometimes nature finds a shorter way on its own.

I wonder what is meant by,

“The world’s largest miraculous healing berry, a molecular hybrid of watermelon and pumpkin, which inherited the characteristic features of both parents and exceeded them in yield by up to 30%, was obtained using the action of pumpkin and watermelon nuclei…” «Kavbuz» - Organic Pumpkin Seeds - ❀ Shipping is free for orders over €100

Hi Bruce,
That description you found is a classic example of “Eastern European marketing bombast” combined with a slightly clunky translation of post-Soviet agricultural terms. When they write about the “action of pumpkin and watermelon nuclei,” they are just using overly dramatic language to describe traditional cell-level intergeneric crossing (embryo rescue / wide hybridization) carried out by the Ukrainian Academy of Agrarian Sciences back in the 1970s and 80s.

In reality, there is no sci-fi molecular editing or GMO wizardry here. It is a stable intergeneric bridge between Cucurbita maxima and Citrullus lanatus.The “miraculous healing” part refers to the high content of carotene, vitamins, and specific antioxidants. For me personally, there is a very practical motivation behind this experiment. If the reports about the certain “alkalinity” (alkaline properties) of the Kavbuz flesh are true, it would be a major health benefit for me, as I am dealing with liver health issues.

Agrotechnically, combining watermelon and squash genetics could also bring a fascinating root-water management system to the table.

So, strip away the marketing folklore, and what you have left is a highly unusual, very vigorous genetic bridge that brings some fascinating characteristics into the squash world. And as a landrace gardener, that’s what I am here to explore :wink:.
P.S. And ultimately, if Kavbuz successfully joins the mix, it won’t be grown as a pure, isolated crop. It will simply become one of many pollen donors in a massive, interspecific polycross. My strategy relies on using genetic bridges and “smuggling genes through chaos” by applying pollen cocktails mixed from various diverse fathers.

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State after 32 hours of soaking in baths according to my method, “The Bulletproof Seed Germination Protocol”.

I would especially like to draw attention to the fact that in one small African butternut squash (from South Africa) bought at the Tesco supermarket, there were not only standard-sized seeds but also much smaller ones, which were not bitter upon biting into them.

Furthermore, I would like to briefly introduce my interspecific hybrid “Otín Maximoss”, which I will report on in a longer upcoming article, “With Interspecific Squash Hybrids, the Dam Seems to Have Burst, or Hybrid is Not a F-Word”.

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Those Kavbuz on picture looks like pure Maxima. I’m doubtful there is any “bridge” in that. The claim of “stability” is also pretty peculiar for something resulting from an intergeneric cross… So I just can say I’m hyper skeptic on the reality of the cross.

Apart from that : good luck with your projects.

By the way I used Tetsukabuto (and “friends”) as functional bridges in many crosses in 2024, either back-crossed to maxima or to moschata, but the subsequent generation was pretty weak and poor yielding, compared to maxima, moschata and the parent generation, it’s been a big disappointment, and so I stopped. About 50 plants originating from 20 different crosses.

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For me the vigor with the tetsukabuto cross is good one generation on two. One year i will get 6 fruits up to 2 kg on one maximoss plant and the plants at the next generation will made 1 fruit under 500g.

For tetsukabuto x moschata the seeds of a fruit of 500g crossed with violino rugosa can give a plant able to give 6 fruit up to 6kg and at the third generation a lot of plants not able to giving fruits. The vigor is restaurated when two weak plants are crossed.

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I was wondering if something was lost in translation. Even though I may be skeptical of this cross, I realize there have been crosses made successfully between genera before.

I wonder what back crossing to :watermelon: watermelon would look like.

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I never noticed maxima x moschata hybrids are so easily available as Sprinter F1 and Bolt F1. I would probably start experimenting with them too :slight_smile:

Talking about other available MaximaXMoschata interspecific hybrids in Europe (or have been in last years) : Tetsukabuto already quoted, Maukai Iron Cap, Shiatsu (all copies of Tetsukabuto: looking really the same, with just a slight size difference), and also Routpower bred for grafting.
I had listed sources there.

Adrian, hybrids are vigorous as long as they are being crossed. Once you start stabilizing a variety, that vigor tends to fade.

For this year’s breeding, I am using interspecific rootstocks with male sterility again (Sprinter and mostly Bolt). However, I also bought seeds of a commercial fertile interspecific hybrid called Autumn Crown F1 (acting as the pollen donor this year, and as the mother next year).

On top of that—cue the fanfare!—I have my own spontaneous, vigorous interspecific hybrid (Sweet Meat Oregon Homestead x Black Futsu X Lofthouse winter pepo)! I named it—trumpets again—Otín Maximoss.

The possibilities are simply amazing.

Bruce, so far I only have last year’s experience with Kavbuz, along with the current seedlings.

Last summer was cold and short, and the rind didn’t harden during storage like regular squash rinds do. This might actually be the watermelon trait showing through. As you could see, the seeds germinated well, and the young plants are thriving.

I will report back once I have more solid proof—I don’t want to speculate just yet.

Tomas, I can send you some seeds of my own interspecific hybrid Otín Maximoss, as well as a few store-bought Autumn Crown F1 seeds.

It’s important to note that the stabilized commercial squash variety “Autumn Crown F1” is also an interspecific hybrid (C. maxima × C. moschata), with “Crown Prince F1” as one parent and an unidentified Butternut squash as the other. I bought the seeds from Seedaholic.

In Europe (and right here in my own garden, in small quantities for now), there is also a new, vigorous, and fertile inter-species hybrid called Otín Maximoss (C. maxima × C. moschata × C. pepo), whose parents are known: Sweet Meat Oregon Homestead × Black Futsu × Lofthouse Winter pepo.

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