My greenhouse setup for 2024

I figured you guys may be interested in seeing what my greenhouse looks like right now!

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“Emily,” I hear you saying as you clutch your forehead, “why do you have a gigantic squash plant growing in there?”

In my defense, it volunteered. And then it was so vigorous and productive that I couldn’t possibly refuse to let it stay, now could I?

“And what about all those other cucurbit seedlings?”

(Ahem.) Well, see, they didn’t sprout until our August rain came, at which time it would’ve been too late for them to ripen a first fruit before our first frost date, so . . . I transplanted them next to the tropical trees. Why not, right? :smiley:

Here’s a rundown on all the equipment I have in there.

I bought the metal frame on Amazon last year for about $160, including sales tax. It came with a plastic cover, which I used all last year; it was very flimsy and fell apart by the time summer came. Our high UV baked it to shreds.

Now, I assumed that would happen, so I was okay with it. I considered the frame worth $160 all on its own. It’s very sturdy, and I expect it to last for a long time.

Because I needed to buy new plastic this year, I decided to buy a sheet that was much bigger than I needed. Because, you see . . . (steeples fingers) . . . this allowed me to be greedy and lay claim to some of the area around that frame to fit in more tropical trees. Great idea, right? :grin:

I bought a 25-foot by 40-foot sheet of greenhouse plastic that is thick, high-quality, and supposed to last for four years. I’m not sure if it will manage that in our super high UV; I hope so. It cost $92, including the sales tax.

There’s the frame for a small mini greenhouse I bought a few years ago. It’s pretty flimsy, but it still works okay. So I figured I’d make it an outer wall. It’s next to a compost pile made out of four pallets zip-tied together.

The other thing you see made out of wood was our children’s old bunk beds. They’ve gotten too big for them, so I figured I’d see if they work as a shelf in the greenhouse to store equipment. An actual shelf would have worked better, but I had the old bunk beds on hand, so I used them.

There are three IBC totes on the north side of the greenhouse, forming a wall of thermal mass. I call those rain tanks. Take a wild guess what I fill them with! :wink: There are two more rain tanks inside the greenhouse. One is sort of invisible in the picture because I twisty tied the vigorous maxima squash’s stems up the side, and it happily grew up and across the top and is dangling down the back side. I may see if I can twisty tie the vines to grow up over the ceiling and dangle down fruit through the winter. 'Cause why not?

Actually, I’d really like to have some vine growing across the ceiling over the winter. My suspicion is that that will serve as extra insulation to keep my tropical trees warm. I would rather it be something tropical, but I’ll happily experiment with whatever I have on hand. Hence, cucurbit sprouts all over the place. I’m kind of using them like pioneer species. They grow so well here that I may as well use them that way. :wink:

I collect rainwater from my house, and then haul it out to the greenhouse in 5-gallon buckets. Yes, this takes a lot of time and is fairly cumbersome. On the other hand, it’s a great workout and weight-lifting routine. I fill up the rain tanks inside the greenhouse first, then the rain tanks outside the greenhouse. By the time they’re all full, we will be hitting our coldest temperatures of the year, around late January through late February. So the thermal mass (which keeps the temperature higher) continually increases as the temperatures continually decrease, which is ideal.

I may add some insulation on the north side of the greenhouse, but I’d really rather grow the insulation in the form of vines. Much cheaper and more convenient. I leaned a bunch of cardboard on the north side last year, and it may or may not have served as extra insulation, but I found a huge black widow nesting in that nice warm, dry cardboard niche last December, so . . . no more cardboard in the greenhouse for the winter!

I have some solar panels inside the greenhouse, so I can charge power stations in the winter. The solar panels are fully waterproof, but the power stations aren’t, so it makes sense to keep them inside the greenhouse.

Oh, and I have some lights that charge by connected solar panels during the day and automatically turn on at night. They run for about four hours until the battery runs out. I don’t know if those lights help the plants or not (my guess is that they probably make little difference), but they make it more convenient for me to visit the greenhouse in the evening, since the sky tends to get dark by around 6pm in the winter.

All of that can keep the greenhouse consistently 20 degrees warmer inside than outside. However, that’s not enough to keep it from freezing when we hit 7 degrees (the lowest temperature it usually ever hits here, and it only hits that temperature for one or two nights out of the year in late February). For those nights, I need to somehow get another 5 degrees of warmth in there.

Last year, my solution was technology. On the coldest nights of the winter, I hooked a ceramic heat emitter ($7) up to a lamp ($10), which was hooked up to a thermostatically controlled outlet that automatically turned on when the temperature hit 32 degrees ($10), which was hooked up to a power station ($250), which was hooked up to a solar panel ($160). That was sufficient!

But this year, I’m going to be sneaky. With extra covered space to play with, I now have a compost pile in the greenhouse. I am thinking that will generate some extra heat, perhaps enough to make the technology unnecessary.

I also have a second place for compost: a black trash can with a lid on it. That is my “death trap” compost bin. It’s mostly full of apples that are infested with coddling moths and apple maggots. It also has seeds from any grocery store fruits I ate that weren’t very good (so I don’t want their offspring to volunteer out of the compost pile), and occasionally stuff like large weeds that have gone to seed. It is currently full, so I need another one.

At some point, hopefully this winter, I will finally finish building a fire pit, so I can make biochar. Then everything in the “death trap” compost will get converted to biochar. Muah ha ha! Since I can’t burn them yet, I figure I may as well keep all that stuff confined in a space with a tight-fitting lid. And why not stick that in the greenhouse, while I’m at it? It seems to stay consistently warm, even when the weather is chilly, so I’m sure it’s generating a little extra warmth while the rotten fruit and bug larvae are composting. If that works out well, I may very well continue to do that every year.

That’s my greenhouse setup so far!

Does anyone else have any cool greenhouse ideas?

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Wow that is a lot going on. Looks like you are having a great time. I will have to comeback to this thread later to finish reading, but I do have experience with greenhouse plastic. I have found it worthwhile to purchase “actual” greenhouse plastic rated for uv. I haven’t seen the anti condensate plastic to be needed much. The one thing that has really increased my longevity with plastic has been to go double layer with the air fan blowing in between.

I live in a very windy valley and have the same plastic after five years . My neighbors have replaced almost annually their single layer. I have had great luck with a solar panel, 12v battery, and computer fan. That being said a dedicated air fan plugged into mains power has been more reliable (except when the power goes out.

Ooooh. Your greenhouse is so huge and nicely built.

The fan idea is intriguing. What does the fan blowing air between the sheets of plastic accomplish? I know having two sheets of plastic separated by a few feet can help with insulation. Does making that air move improve the insulation effectiveness, or does it help the plastic bake less in the UV, or does it do something else? I’d love to know what the moving air specifically helps with. It looks like a simple setup, so I could probably try something like that, which would be very cool.

Yes, real greenhouse plastic matters. I’ve used the flimsy stuff before, because it was the cheapest, and . . . you get what you pay for. It was brittle and falling apart after one year. Definitely not worth the money, since you can pay twice as much to get something that will last for at least four years, and hopefully more.

This is the plastic I bought for this year. I’m hoping it will be as reliable as it looks. I also bought this greenhouse tape so that I can mend any holes that appear, which I think will be important. (Especially if I do something stupid while pulling it off in spring or pulling on again in fall, heh.)

That is one of my plans to extend the lifespan of the plastic: I plan to remove it for summer every year. Our summer UV is incredibly high (9 or 10 is common), so I think that will be a wise move. I’m trying to build the greenhouse area to make it easy to do that. So far, uhhhhh, well, I clearly have more work to do to make the edges better. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: But I’m working on it.

I’m thinking if I build a PVC pipe structure around the metal greenhouse, that may allow me the intriguing option of an inner greenhouse and outer greenhouse, each of which has its own plastic on top. Then I could put the zone 9 tropicals in the outer greenhouse and the zone 10 tropicals in the inner greenhouse. That seems like it would be a pretty nifty long-term idea.

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I think that the reason inflating two pieces of greenhouse plastic is so helpful is because the outer plastic has the air gap between it and the metal hoops or structure. The inner plastic is thus not moving because it is protected from the wind from the outer plastic. When it is windy the outer layer may flex, but it never rubs against the structure. The inner layer is pinned in place, so it also doesn’t rub against the structure. The plastic I have seen fail fails at the intersection of plastic and structural components because of motion during wind.

Like you said there are additional benefits. It provides more insulation. The floating layers also have helped snow slide off and prevents water from pooling. It does reduce the light levels though, but not to a degree that reduces plant growth.

Blowing air between the two layers of plastic in a poly-covered hoop house offers several benefits:

1.	Increased Insulation: The air layer itself acts as an insulator, but when you introduce moving air, it reduces the temperature gradient between the two sheets. This creates a more stable insulating barrier, reducing heat loss more effectively than static air.
2.	Preventing Condensation: The air movement helps reduce condensation buildup between the plastic sheets. Condensation can not only limit light penetration but also contribute to heat loss. The fan keeps moisture from accumulating, ensuring better light transmission and thermal efficiency.
3.	UV Protection & Plastic Longevity: Moving air helps cool the inner surface of the outer plastic sheet, which can reduce the wear and tear caused by UV radiation. It may help extend the life of the plastic by minimizing localized overheating.
4.	Wind Resistance: The pressurized air layer helps maintain tension in the outer sheet, making it more resistant to external wind pressure. This creates a more stable and robust structure, which can withstand higher wind speeds.

Wow, that’s very interesting! Thank you for such a thorough answer! You’ve convinced me that it would be a beneficial thing to try.

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