Trading My Seed Collection [ Huge Seed List with Photos ]

I’ll go back to your post and make a proper wishlist in a separate post. To address your questions:

Nope. Gete Okosomin was a (I think) free seed packet from a Canadian company a couple years ago. Revolutionized my opinions of squash, which I was pretty ambivalent about before. But it looks like a deep orange banana squash and smells/tastes like (really good) squash.

Wild Mountain Seed I got their “culinary landrace” - their recent pictures show a range of mostly pumpkin-shapes in fun colours including patterns like my canteloupe squash, plus they describe some tropical flavours in their squash in some of their stuff so thats just my best guess.

I haven’t tasted the Lodi squash yet. Soon :slight_smile:

Definitely animal munched down a whole cattle panel row of cukes. Not sure if bird or rodent, but all the plants were bit right above the ground.

Melons I am less sure. I was away for some weeks with travel and health issues. Came back to find squash had run rampant all through the everything beds and most of the melon plants gone altogether, the last few just being outcompeted by bully squash. No major signs of curcubit disease, so Im guessing whatever critter feasted on my cucumbers then went for melons next. But it could be a disease or insect pest got those while I was gone

I toss the fennel seeds in with my rice and a few drops of oil, toast up before adding water to cook using absorption method.

The toasting brings up the aromatics, the seeds swell up through cooking. Especially good with seeds picked a bit green before they’re fully dry.

Yeah, like more intense arugula.

Yeah, the domestic varieties “Aunt Molly’s”, “cossack Pineapple” and “Niagara”, plus 3-4 hardy edible physalis wild species, Alkenkengi? Peruvianum, etc. Yellow, orange and red.

Yep, started with 3-4 different varieties. I decided to focus on mostly yellow tomatillos because they’re sweeter than green. Also avoided purples because although they’re sweet if you put them in mostly yellow salsa it goes brown.

As with everything else, I got nerdy about seeking out named varieties a couple years ago but it’s all random year 1 mix now.

This is relevant to my interests.

I keep my hot and sweet peppers isolated from each other by planting them in separate gardens (My own property is tiny, so I have a small garden here and then my main veggie patch is down the street where a generous neighbour gives me free reign of their huge backyard.)

I love hot and sweet, so next year I want to plant some sweet peppers in the hot patch and let them cross in. Also helpful because the microclimate in the home garden is fantastic for peppers and the big veggie garden is…not. So my harvest of hot peppers has been kind of pitiful this year. If I plant the hot peppers AND half the sweet peppers at home then I can get a big harvest of both.

Sure. Here you go. Pretty sure it is in fact a Phaseolus Vulgaris, variety name “Black Nightfall”. Ive grown tepary in the past, leaves also look different on that species

I manually harvest by pulling, but with exactly zero care, in July or so. This stuff, whatever variety it actually is, seems to like leaving some of itself behind for next year. We’re heading into year 3 of I have never planted garlic in this garden myself and get an annual supply of garlic (it sends up greens in the fall as well as spring to let me know the garlic beds are still populated).

Yes, thinnings from the self sown garlic beds, the herb border, the other veggie beds, the lawn, etc all get eaten as delicious green garlic.

Can’t say all with 100% certainty, there are def some wild species present nearby.

But yeah, the lawn definitely sprouts entire garlic plants with full bulbs, scapes etc, all identical to the garlic in the beds.

Yes to all. Not me personally (other than Tilia, I do have a big linden in the front yard) but all those trees are widely prevalent.

I’m in southwestern ontario, Kitchener-Waterloo. Good bit of native diversity but I’ve also collected some Vaccinium from further afield in my own gardens

Because … thats not a thing. Meant to say cranberry. Viburnum edule is super common everywhere, sorry to get your hopes up.

Heh, I’m not actually sure. I’ve rarely seen it wild anywhere nearby, but I have a few spicebush I’ve been growing at home for a few years that I got as tiny seedlings grown from local-ish wild seed. The first one flowered last spring so hopefully this year I’ll get some flowers from more of them and berries with seeds to share.

Yep, very very multicultural.

Canada in general takes a more “patchwork quilt” than “melting pot” sort of approach to cultural integration so even medium sized cities like where I live, I have access to a decent range of international grocery stores.

However, around here they’ll often be fairly small convenience store sized places that carry mostly basic staple goods and spices for the [Syrian, East African, Colombian, Lao/Thai, German, Phillipines etc] community. Great for browsing or for the international dishes in my own common repertoire but the fruit and veggie sections are often small and frequently mostly common stuff - like, the Pakistani grocer just stocks your regular potato, onions, tomatoes, carrots, eggplant, green chilis and limes …maybe some bunches of fresh curry leaves and boxes of okra, bitter melon occasionally. Combing through the spice and staple pulses sections does often yield some fun surprises

If I have a really niche mission or just want to trial some unusual fruit varieties, I go spend a weekend exploring the larger markets in Toronto.

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Yea, that Sounds more like the Wild Mountain Seed. I’ve also heard the Green Flesh Ayote Squash (C. moschata) also has Tropical Fruity Flavors, maybe both varities were domesticated from the same landrace? The Gete Okosomin with it’s Deep Orange sounds fantastic.

Ah I see, Fresh Green Seeds are only available to the Gardener or Forager. Will try it when I start Growing Fennel.

WOW! All of those sound FANTASTIC! I’d absolutely love a mix of all that!

I did not know that, It appears that the Purple Tomato actually makes Purple Salsa but not the Purple Tomatillo? How weird. I wonder why are the Yellow Varieties sweeter? Is it simply because they are Fully Ripe & The Green Varieties are always underripe?
Reguardless I’d love to get those Tomatillos too.

Like you mixed Tomatillo with Grouncherries kind of Random or still seperated into those broad groups?

I’m glad! Perhaps this could become a good Collaborative Project.

Yup, that’s 100% a Phaseolus vulgaris, the Darkness around the Hilum obscured the little nutsack ID Feature Below the Hilum. It’s an interesting Variety. OOh how did the Tepary Beans go? Do you still have some left? Tepary, Runner & Common Beans are all Cross Compatible.

That’s awesome! This is exactly the kind of Lazy Gardening I like! It’s almost like it was designed/bred to be pulled that way.

Fantastic! Do you find it milder than the bulbs? Do you eat them Raw or Cook to reduce their heat?

Very Intersting, if you ever find or Confirm the wild species making true Seeds, I’d love them. If you aren’t sure about the species, take a Photo & I can ID the Allium for you. The most common Lawn Alliums are Allium vinelale, 2nd most Common in Eastern Canada is Allium canadense. I suspect it’s either one of those or both.
The Garlic Identical to the Garlics in the beds is an interesting case, defiently take some pictures. True Garlic also sometimes escapes into lawns (Altho this is a quite uncommon).

I even found Allium sativum on the Wildflower website, must be a somewhat common escape in Missouri & Perhaps your lawn too. Allium sativum page

WOW! I hope you get a Chance to Harvest some seeds of the Larches, Firs, Spruces, Pines, Douglas Firs, ect. I’m especially interested in Larches, super curious about the flavor of tea they can make. I can ID all of the Genera & Species very well, just take Pictures Needles & Cone. What other kinds of Edible Trees do you have?

Yea that Region is RICH with wild Edibles! Have you ever found any

  • Mayapples (Podophyllum peltatum)
  • Huckleberries (Gaylussacia spp.)
  • Dames Rocket (Hesperis matronalis)
  • Black Locusts with Purple/Pink Flowers (Robinia spp.)
  • Wild Ramps/Leek (Allium Triccocum)
  • Wild Strawberries (Fragaria spp.)
  • Hackberry (Celtis occidentalis)
  • Nannyberry (Viburnum lentago Complex)
  • Toothwort (Caradamine spp. or Dentaria spp.)
  • Sassafrass (Sassafrass albidium)
  • Mallow (Malva neglecta)
  • Field Pennycress (Thlaspi arvense)
  • Canada Violet (Viola canadense)
  • Spring Beauty (Claytonia virginica)
  • Sweet Peas (Lathyrus spp.)
  • Angelica (Angelica spp.)
  • Wild Asparagus (Asparagus officinalis)
  • Black Nightshade (Solanum nigrum Complex)
  • Rugosa rose (Rosa rugosa)
  • Fly-Honeysuckle (Lonicera canadensis)
  • Slipery Elm (Ulmus rubra)
  • Wild Plums (Prunus spp.)
  • Mountain Mints (Pycnanthemum spp.)
  • Aronia/Chokeberry (Aronia spp.)
  • Hairy Sweet Cicely (Osmorhiza claytonii)
  • Any other Wild Edibles, Mints, Mustards, Amaranths, Lambsquaters,

In my area, Spicebush is the Most Common Shrub thanks to Deer who eat everything else. I have lots of Diveristy & tons of Spicebush seeds saved & Dried. Sadly I’ve never encountered an Orange Spicebush Berry, I wonder how different it tastes.

I see, so most of your area has smaller shops, all the Big International Grocery Stores are in Toronto? Well when you go next time, just be on the look out for anything cool. Is there anything else cool you’d want me to be on the look out at my American International Grocery Stores?

Wild Mountain landrace is all Curcubita Maxima, definiitely not related to Ayote

I believe that if you make salsa with only tomatillos that are purple all the way through, you get purple salsa. And they’re sweet :slight_smile:

However, “purple” tomatillos are commonly purple-splashed over yellow or green. Yellow/Green+Purple = Grey Brown. Since I believe in eating with your eyes, and also simplifying my life, Im focusing on yellow tomatillos that make bright yellow salsa.

All tomatillos sweeten up and lose astringency as they ripen, but the green-when-ripe ones tend to stay more sour, while the yellow ones often get fruity sweet.

They’re planted in the same garden so theres some chance tomatillos crossed with other physalis, but I collected tomatillo seeds separately from other (ground cherry etc) type physalis. But didnt track individual varieties within each of those two categories.

My garden isnt really ideal for teparies (too damp and acidic). They’re delicious though, I plan to keep trying. I have some teparies and a tepary-common bean cross I can share small quantities of.

Young garlic greens are nice and mild. I like using them raw or lightly cooked so they still have a bit of that fresh green flavour

Sure, I’ll get you some larches.

Off the top of my head, also have nearby - birch(yellow, white, black), hickory, black walnut, butternut, hazelnut, beech nut, various junipers, black cherry, sand cherries, various crabapples, pawpaw (mostly young plants in parks or along trails), maples (sugar, red, silver ones are the most edible), gingko(street plantings obv), japanese silk lilac, hawthorns…

Broadly, yes to most of that.

I dont think Ive seen huckleberries recently.

I’ll have to keep an eye out for purple and pink when the black locusts flower

Gotta triple check which kind of sweet cicely I have.

But yes, generally all those things are somewhere around here. Some even in my garden.

Either that or my Toronto native is showing through too much (what?!? There’s a rest of Canada ??? :stuck_out_tongue: )

This is a much more agricultural area and has a big mennonite community so there’s some kinds of heirloom produce that are easier to get here. A few of the more recent immigrant communities (Colombian, Eritrean, Syrian in particularly) are pretty big here too - we’re just close enough to Toronto that I suspect Im far from the only one who just daytrips or weekends every month or two when I want something I dont know how to find here.

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Nice! I like Sweet! Are they sweeter than the Yellow Tomatillos? or about the same?

Interesting, I was just wondering since from all the Foragers I learned from all say that the Unripe Fruits are toxic of any Physalis & only Ripe Physalis fruits are safe to eat raw but they never seemed to make the connection with a Green Tomatillo? Isn’t that just the unripe fruit but with toxins somehow removed!? Or was it simply a Tomato with the Color Changing Ripeness indicator bred out?

Oh nice! If they crossed that’s super awesome! Tomatillos are the Largest Physalis fruits I know, those genetics are gonna be useful if we want to make Physalis fruits Beefsteak Tomato size.

Oh wow! You managed to cross them, even with the Common Beans always self-pollinating when flowers mature? How did you do it? I’d love a small amount, Thank you! Hopefully I can make more controlled crosses when I build a Speed Breeding lab.

Do they remind you of Flag Leeks? I was wondering if Leeks also make some kind of bulb like Garlic thing below the roots. Both are Cross-Compatible so I assume they share Characteristics.

Ah bet! Thank you! Have you tried the flavor of Larches yet? Anything to note?

The birches, Maples, Hazelnuts, Beech Nuts, Sand Cherries, Pawpaws sound fantastic. I would be interested in Butternut & Hickory but I feel the seeds might be too big to transport (Same with the Gingko nuts). How did the Hawthornes & Crabapples taste? Did you try them after frost when they are like apple sauce or do your Crabapples fail at the “soften after frost” trait?

AWESOME!

I’m also happy with the White Flowers, trying to get more Diversity for my Black Locust Landrace. Have you noticed any pods still left over? The Purple Flowered Black Locusts are easy to ID by the Pods, they look like Regular Black Locust pods but with Bristles. White Flowered Black Locust are smooth Pods without any Bristles.

I can ID the 2 Osmorhiza longistylis & Osmorhiza calytonii so send pictures of what you have. I can also ID them by the seed alone if not damaged.

Oh nice? Like Farmer Markets & stuff? Is that how you got a lot of cool seeds?

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That is interesting! I’ve never seen the bristle type pods.
I’ve only seen white and pink flowers near me and they all had smooth pods.

It could very likely be a Hybrid. Both Purple & White Flower Black Locust species are known to hybridize in the wild. I suspect Robinia viscosa might be a Hybrid between HOT Pink x White Flower because it’s flower color looks half way & the pods only slightly bristly.

If you say both pods were completly smooth, it could’ve easily been the Pink flower triat was transfered to Black Locust without affecting the pods.

Here you can just how sharp pink Flowers get on the ones with very Bristly pods get (Robinia hispida).

All these species hybridize in the wild, I was just super curious what the purple flower ones taste like, I never encountered them.

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The sweetest tomatillos I have personally tasted are yellow.

When I say green tomatillos, I mean those that are green when ripe. There are tomatillos (most of the most popular varieties in fact) that never turn any colour they just stay the same green. Fully ripe, soft, bursting out of their husks and falling to the ground, they lose the astringent taste they have when less ripe, but they stay green. And they usually stay pretty sour, not as sweet as the yellow or purple varieties.

I didn’t cross the teparies, Carol Deppe did. I have some descendants of the Beefy Resilient Grex mix.

Green garlic tastes quite different from leeks. Young green garlic is like if garlic woke up one day and decided to be a salad green. They’re unmistakeably garlic, but with a green leafy freshness and a silky soft texture. More mature garlic greens have a texture more like leeks, but are much more pungent. Garlic scapes are like if garlic decided to be fresh asparagus…

Leeks do make garlic bulb -like offshoots, or at least some do. The trait may have been effectively bred out of the most common commercial varieties but at least with some, you can perennialize leeks by harvesting the main plant by twisting out to Ieave the surrounding offshoots to regrow. I bought seeds specifically marketed as “perennial leeks” for this purpose because Im a gullible sucker, but I’ve seen videos of Charles Dowding and others demonstrating this with just any leeks.

I have a few different perennial alliums I lovingly planted around the garden, none half as profilic as the feral garlic that came with the plot :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

We do have some great huge farmers markets and farm stands nearby. However, much of my seed hoard is from several years of too much internet and seed packets. I’ve been gradually weening myself of the urge to buy all the shiny new varieties by saving seed, swapping, and playing landrace roulette to discover what pops up

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oops, so the grocery store tomatillo that is starting to rot is still green? It’s so strange, cuz in the same grocery store I found Yellow & Purple Tomatillos mixed in with the green. This made me think Green Tomatillos are unripe, just look! What do you think is going on here, it’s all sold as green tomatillo.

I suspect that the grocery store doesn’t use the same variety all year long?
I also found rediciously huge tomatillo fruit, can they get a bigger than this?

Interesting! And with those crossed beans does that me the promiscuity rate has gone up?

Very fantastic! The silky texture is what I like! I’ve eaten the wild Crow Garlic (Allium vineale) which is cross compatible, it often has a more fibrous texture unless it super tender. Makes me want to grow garlic for the greens too! Especially if it’s a lot more mild than the pungent spicy roots.

Ah that explains it! I’ve noitced the side Bulbing trait in the Wild Weedy Crow Garlic (Allium vineale), perhaps since it’s wild the trait hasn’t been bred out yet.

Are any of them the ornamental kinds by any chance? Super curious how good the Ornamental Alliums taste like.

:joy: I love landrace gardening because it turns all of those seed packets into 1.