Is anyone else having really weird weather?

Wow! I didn’t realize Australian weather has always been so inconsistent. No wonder the permaculture movement was started by an Australian!

I would like to see agriculture return to small, local communities of people who take care of each other, take care of the land, and see firsthand the consequences of their actions. I would like to see people, families, and communities who have a surplus reach out to help people, families, and communities who have a dearth. I would like this to be normal and spread across the whole Earth.

I think that’s resilience.

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I saw a reconstruction of the last 1000 years of Australian rainfall from lake beds. Somewhere in there was a century that was almost entirely as dry as the worst recorded droughts. Another century had pretty much zero drought. Maybe being a hunter-gatherer makes sense under those conditions.

Before industrialisation made bulk transport cheap very little grain was transported over land in the civilised world. Cities were mostly only possible if they had a fertile hinterland and/or a port to make bulk shipping possible (Rome got most of its grain from North Africa which made up 70% of the urban diet, and olive oil from greece etc which made up 20%).

The reality for small landlocked villages was that every few years the main staple crop failed, and every generation or so two crops failed in a row and a proper famine unfolded. If one village had a famine and its neighbour did not it was not practical to move bulk grain by cart more than a few miles. In villages that had a functioning ecosystem they could often scrape by through a return to foraging (often wild chestnuts and hazels were only harvested seriously during famine years).

If you tried to do small local self sufficient communities in Australia’s grain belt you would have town that are unable to produce their own food for many years at a stretch. Grain is difficult to store more than a year or two on large scales without high technology to hold back pests/rot/rancidity.

In the past, maybe famine was ultimately the only thing that kept human populations somewhat in balance with nature (though I suspect access to fire wood was more limiting in many places). I wonder if we will ever figure out an alternative way to organise society so that we don’t need to bump up against that limit. I explore these ideas in my science fiction novels.

Is that the whole of Australia? It’s such a large place! I heard the Aborigines did at least some agriculture in some areas?

Humm, I don’t know. The word never seems in this context to mean a very long time. There are lots of wild animals and plants that evolved and live there, and evolution of a species takes a very long time.

I might argue that Australia did have a reliable climate just maybe not a convenient one from the perspective of humans. The kangaroos, the koalas, all those cool parrots, those goofy looking platypus critters and no doubt millions of other things found it’s climate perfectly reliable. Sure, it had its ups and downs, droughts, floods too I reckon, but overall, it stayed perfectly reliable for all those things that evolved and lived there.

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Ooh, good point about famine. I forgot how common those used to be.

So long-distance shipping of food is a good thing. It should simply be used sparingly, more as a backup plan than a Plan A. That makes sense to me! Everything can be used for excellent purposes. Being a wise steward of resources, and a good neighbor, sometimes means caring for people far away.

Hey, you write books? Cool! Are you currently publishing them?

Hey Emily

The books (a series of four novellas) are already out in ebook form. I bundled them together into one big ebook, and the paperback version is in the works. The whole series is published under the title “Our Vitreous Womb”. Happy to send anyone a free copy of the first book if a hard scifi in a future earth society built purely on biological technology sounds interesting.

Australia is stuck between two moody oceans that regularly flip their temperature/rainfall propensity. Has been that way for a few million years at least. I saw a climate reconstruction of the last millenium here from lake bed sediments and they found a century that was consistently worse than the worst recorded droughts, and another where it rained pretty much non stop for a hundred years. For wild species, variable weather isn’t such a huge issue since they can afford to move around on short or long time scales. For agriculture it is a major limiting factor. If humans are going to spend much of their time tending crops instead of gathering they need to be pretty certain of getting a useful yield. That is one thing I often think about with amateur plant breeders today- we have a rare opportunity to do speculative breeding work and not worry about going hungry if our crops fail.

There is a book that recently came out called “Dark Emu” that argues there were widespread and sophisticated forms of agriculture before european colonisation in Australia. The scholarship in it has been picked apart and found to be wanting in many places. I do believe the aborigines had many semi-domesticated species and sophisticated land management practices, especially the carefully timed application of controlled burns (but that itself was necessary since all the megafauna had been wiped out 20 000 years ago due to human influence).

Australia has one of the most broken terrestrial ecosystems on the planet. Most of the topsoil in the cyclonic north slid off into the ocean to form enormous mudflats and left some of the crappiest country I have ever seen. The interior used to be filled with lakes, which have all since dried up because the hydrology and vegetation cycles are ruined. The top half of the continent used to be a seasonally dry rainforest that sucked the monsoon rains reliably into the centre of the continent, where little more than prickly spinifex grass grows now. When I see my country I think of the old adage “You broke it, you bought it”.

Wow, I had no idea Australia’s climate was so challenging. I knew the Outback was a huge part of the continent, but I figured it was roughly equivalent to the very arid southwestern United States.

Excellent point about amateur plant breeders today! I suspect the same thing was true of amateur plant breeders of yesteryear, too; but in order to achieve that, they likely would have needed to spend 99% of their effort on agriculture and/or hunter gathering, and only 1% on playing around with new ideas. I’m sure a lot of people did it for fun, and I imagine we can do a lot more today.

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Here’s a website for the UK, also showing all 4 countries separately. It shows the rain, sun, and temperature for each year split into months, and can compare it also to 1961 - 1990 or 1991 - 2020 averages. It’s clear to see the whole place is heating up significantly and tending to be drying up in Summer. This year clearly hotter and drier than both averages and than last year too. It shocks me that some people still don’t believe the climate is changing.

Fifty years of intense institutional, disinformation and ridicule of reason was quite effective. And it continues even now.

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Indeed. The pandemic was also catastrophic for science - so many lies and disinformation, still continuing now, and so much real science censored by social media platforms and doctors and scientists demonised and labelled as ‘anti-vaxxers’ or ‘conspiracy theorists’ for warning about the dangers of injecting the brand new vaccines without aspiration or discussing well documented vaccine injuries, plus the rampant fraud committed by the vaccine manufacturers regarding their trials and claims, not to mention the radical coverup of the origin being the Wuhan Institute of Virology and demonising anyone who would even consider that as a possibility. In retrospect we can see u-turns on so much of that due to subsequent release of withheld information. But anyway, all this has massively fuelled the public distrust of ‘science’, and for good reason since there’s so much fraud and corruption, even in well-respected scientific journals. This has a hugely negative impact on science and the public accepting very valid science and evidence. Including climate science.

Money has such a horrifically corrupting influence. When governments and scientists are sponsored by corporations, and when social media platforms are controlled by governments (e.g. the Twitter files etc.), this is what happens - the public loose trust, and generally don’t have the ability to tell anymore what is lies and what is true.

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Our weather has been weird as well, but in a good way. An actual spring cool early summer and plenty of rain.

I suspect an anti-science cultural movement is likely to unfold in coming decades. The landrace gardening phenomenon is well positioned to weather it though, possibly even use it to get more people growing their own food in truly sustainable ways.

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I wonder how scientific it is to believe thé government and scientists and the bought up média complexes amplifying only the CO2 line. Never they tell us through their média campaigns about the massive deforestation that has taken place in Europe since industrialisation started. Forests cool and keep stable…Never they mention any influence of the sun which emits more energy in a minute or so than we use in a year. Never they mention the southern winds that have gained so much force in Europe.
It’s drummed into us it’s us from childhood that because we emit CO2 we are causing climate change and anybody doubting that is an estranged conspiracy theorist who deserves being thrown out of society and influential positions of science especially.
Ever since that started happening fifteen years ago i started switching ‘sides’. Before i was firmly into the ‘an inconvénient truth’ camp which i must have watched a dozen times before it became anything of a hype.
I’m not saying the climate isn’t changing. I’m not saying i believe using the atmosphère unnecesarily as a waste dump is a good thing , neither do i say CO2 is plantfood only and has no effect whatsoever.
I just stopped listening to the people who provide non solutions like the green parties in my country of origin Netherlands who promote burning bio fuels.
Most of it comes from cutting down old growth forest in USA which they drag across the océans in enormous fuel guzzling tankers infecting our continental forest with whatever invasive insect, fungus or bacteria survives that trip, to be burnt in incinerators build with public money that emmit more CO2 than coal plants do.
And instead of environmentalists fuming about this ongoing epic failure they like to come together in their cushy well paid circles backslabbing each other and vomiting over that horrendous plébiscite scraping to get by and refusing to give up their once a year holiday to Turkey and such. Althewhile this manegerial class looks away from the private jet hopping elite forcing us into a technocratic nightmaresque transhumanistic future.

Some people not buying into the forced fed lies and still finding the strength and will to think for themselves out of the box fills me with hope. Because those people who go against the accepted reality and combine intellectual oblongness with the self discipline to plot on are the ones creating real change

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I think we can all agree that the nicest and most useful thing to do is to tend our own gardens. What other people believe or don’t believe doesn’t interest me much anymore. I think the landrace gardening movement would do well to avoid the common pressure to be pushed into one side or another since everyone can benefit from its lessons.

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I think the anti-science movement is already well underway. And in some ways, I get it, because overhype, misinformation, low sample sizes, too few reproducibility trials, lack of funding for research on a lot of important subjects, and publication bias have caused serious problems to science’s credibility. I can’t blame anyone for being suspicious after decades of liars calling themselves truth-seekers. Not science’s fault, and certainly not the fault of the scientists who are working in good faith to try to find truth. They’re awesome, and I fully support their efforts.

Imagine a currency that has nine counterfeit bills for every one real one. Who wants to use that? If you want it to regain its credibility, you have to get rid of all the fakes and design better ways to prevent future fakes from fooling ordinary people. Right now, there’s too much misinformation being allowed to call itself science. In order to get more people to trust science again, we need better, clearer ways for ordinary people to verify authenticity.

Delightfully, landrace gardening is exactly the sort of thing that works for everybody. Everyone likes making personal choices based on what they value. Everyone likes noticing things that interest them. Not everybody likes gardening, but everybody likes freedom.

“Play around and learn by paying attention to what happens” is universal, and I think it’s a path to joy.

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Ofcourse. I didn’t say i’m on the ‘climate deniar’ side or whatever dumb denominator the mass media come up with to describe people who dare doubt their prescribed reality. Before that i was a ‘science denier’ or a ‘refusenik’ and i couldn’t visit my gf in the hospital because i wasn’t willing to be injected by the expérimental gène therapy. And now that there is surplus death in all the vaccinated countries it just gets tugged under the carpet.
They ‘know’ for sure it’s climate change causing the surplus death. Because any scientists daring to doubt it gets thrown out faster than a Russian hypersonic nuclear missile can lay every European capitol in ashes.

But hey, i’ll shut up before people get problems with their feelies. Put on my hoodie and woolie hat in the middle of summer to work happily in the beautiful garden.

I appreciate it. I am hoping this place can become a sanctuary to all the bun fights going on in the rest of the world. There is no shortage of places online to go and argue about that stuff. Hope we can stick to landracing and crop breeding here.

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A sanctuary of beauty, hope, and mutually helping each other out for the win! :tada:

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I agree that there should be way more focus on agriculture than merely on transportation and energy production, though CO2 is a huge part of the problem of agriculture also.

It’s not like there’s no information out there. I don’t know about balance, but there sure has been a lot of ‘tree planting’ stuff around. Though I think some of that is misguided too, since a lot of tree planting is inappropriate, like monocrops of inappropriate trees rather than focusing on rewilding. But here are some examples of data out there:
‘Europe’s lost forests: a pollen-based synthesis for the last 11,000 years’
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-18646-7

And here’s some graphics from this highly informative page: Deforestation and Forest Loss - Our World in Data
For the world:

But Europe seems actually not nearly as bad as some other regions over the last century, and forest cover is increasing now:

Though it’s important to note not just where deforestation occurs, but who is actually responsible for it:

And diet should be understood in terms of its environmental impact too. Veganism is quite clearly the environmental option that should be the most important one promoted. This graphic touches on diet at least showing some of the horror of beef:

I would say that especially about forests such as the Amazon, which is one of the primary cloud factories of the planet. The trees produce chemicals which actually seed clouds - most clouds it would seem, are actually seeded by chemicals from trees and ocean microorganisms, not merely water condensation. And clouds reflect heat back out into space. This is key to planet temperatures.

I don’t know who the ‘they’ is that you mention, but I have certainly heard a great deal about the influence of the Sun! That’s at the very heart of the ‘greenhouse effect’, after all.

Well, that is an entirely evidence-based position. Do you not believe in the science agreed by basically all climate scientists in all countries regarding the effects of atmospheric CO2 increase on the global temperature? (The only exceptions I can think of are an extremely tiny number of corporate sponsored ‘scientists’ who are akin to the corporate sponsored ‘doctors’ whose tobacco industry sponsored ‘research’ showed how perfectly safe smoking tobacco was). Here are some graphics:
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That correlated with temperature:
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Source: Link between CO2 and Earth’s temperature is well-established, despite claims on Fox News – Climate Feedback

More detailed temperature chart:


Source: CO₂ and Greenhouse Gas Emissions - Our World in Data

I do think that regular people shouldn’t be demonised for not believing in evidence-based science. But I do believe that politicians and corporations should be demonised for doing so. The oil companies for example whose own scientists informed them back in the 1950’s and 70’s of the impending catastrophic global impacts from CO2 increases caused by those very companies, who then covered that up and lied, just for psychopathic profits - those responsible for such crimes should be imprisoned and stripped of all their assets, in my opinion. And politicians should be banned from receiving any money directly or indirectly from psychopathic companies such as the oil industry or weapons industry or for that matter the pharmaceutical industry, and banned from taking jobs from them after leaving office too. That would radically chance government policy on climate, war etc. Money is the primary driver of climate destruction, so far as I can see.

And that also relates to your point on something we may be able to agree on. The idea that the responsibility lies with the individual, is false. Take plastic recycling for example - that idea was the creation of the plastics industry, and it worked well for them, making exceedingly wasteful people feel good about financing plastics companies to destroy the planet, because they ‘recycle’ their non-reusable plastic rubbish, all the while massively increasing their consumption! This is a con, and it’s really on the politicians to change things to make a real impact. But they are financed by the very demons who profit from destruction.

Fair enough. So far as I understand, a lot of biofuel is environmentally destructive. Carbon credits are another con. And ‘hybrid vehicles’ are so far as I see it, yet another con to prop up the internal combustion vehicle and fossil fuel industries.

There are actually many fuming about this. Otherwise I would not know about it myself. George Monbiot is just one good source of information that comes to mind, he’s a very well known journalist here in the UK and is heavily into promoting rewilding, and bringing good environmental awareness and government criticism. He is also one of the main dudes on the most excellent news channel Double Down News.

I think there is a difference between studying the wealth of evidence-based data and coming to well reasoned conclusions, including through a process of receiving criticism and analysis and debate from well educated peers who are expert in the field; and cherry picking information often from unreliable sources and then projecting a conclusion that may have little to do with reality, and then discussing it with people who are not well educated on the topic. The latter is a common failing, and is deserving of criticism, though should also be sympathised with since complex topics are generally not easy to understand, and education levels are often poor. A lot of people simply don’t know how to do good research and analysis, and that’s understandable.

But this does relate to my original point. Lies are indeed so common. I gave the pandemic as an example, and so much of that comes down to corporate sponsorship, such as the many millions of pounds given by Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies to the Royal Colleges of Medicine in the UK, as I was just reading an investigative piece about yesterday in the British Medical Journal. And their sponsorship of government is intimately linked to that same conning of the public on severe matters of public health and safety. So it’s totally understandable that there is growing public mistrust of science in general. But I find it really sad when that results in many people disbelieving genuine climate science and in response, embracing fossil fuel company propaganda, which seems a rather common phenomenon in the US for example.

On the other hand, there are many good things we can do that can help in some way at least, the situation, for which we do not even need to agree on the science. And the whole ‘landrace gardening’ endeavour is, I think, one of those things. Growing crops that require less energy-intensive input and greater genetic and species diversity, not only works towards helping deal with the climate crisis, but also can save us money, feed us delicious food, and be a whole lot of fun.

Yeah, this is a huge worldwide issue. The media silence on this is criminal. The government silence on this is equally criminal. Horrific. Very different to climate science though. The data is entirely clear that covid vaccination correlates to huge excess death, and that is ongoing, and yet governments refuse to make enquiries, and even medical journals generally refuse to publish extremely high quality research papers. But not all. There are some good very valid studies on this but some top researchers. On climate however, there is global consensus, it’s really clear what’s going on. It’s just that the governments are blatanly ignoring the scientists. At best they talk ‘nicely’ about it, but then continue to subsidise the fossil fuel industry, and fail to make the urgent changes to agriculture needed.

But on the positive side, we can ourselves contribute to ever better ways of growing, and spread these ways locally. Garden by garden, farm by farm, I think we can make a difference. And when more environmentally beneficial (or at least less harmful) methods are shown to be profitable, that can be enough to make a farmer switch. For example we do see more and more adoption of no dig farming. Let’s also push locally, each of us perhaps, for person by person, farm by farm, adoption of endophyte conscious soil organism protecting genetically diverse food growing! Whether that be through conversation, demonstration, or plant breeding.

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There is global scientific concensus on anything you want if you fire the dissagreeing scientists.
Cars were a technofix for the horses pooping up whole cities. Paris had a great collecting system and was self sufficient légume wise before cars.
Technofixes don’t work.

If we all would have Tesla’s and everything would be electric world oïl prices would drop. Any poor person drives a bike now would buy a moped. Every moped driving person would buy a car.
We’re going to use all the oil.
If it’s not the guild ridden west it’ll be the global south.
That’s not a fact i like. It’s just reality. Poor don’t care about the environment. It’s number one hundred on their priority list.

A liter diesel costs fifteen eurocents in Algeria.
We pay so much to the banking/governmental cartels in taxes.
The EU cannot even get a proper trainsystem going. The capitols aren’t connected by high speed trains. Bunch of succulent muppets.

But back to my arrogant conclusion, we’re going to use all the oïl till the last drop because even in the West if we succeed the green transition which is a great, great failure in Germany. We should look at alternatives.

And i see planting trees as a great way. Not monocultures of Douglas fir trees. And leave old growth be. The EU is ordering Poland and Finland to cut their old forêts, George Monbiot told me, bless him. The EU subsidizes the none use of land inviting the oligarchy class to buy up farmland and keep it cleared. The EU superstate has been started by nazi’s just like NATO and is pure evil. Handy for the USA to control all their vassal states in one go.

Planting trees is a great way to ensure CO2 capturing. All that lovely growth is CO2 being put into solid matter. Mycelium networks take up even more. Old growth forest contain those.
Planting trees could help feed the world if we’d plant food forests.
Forests attract rain as well. Their cooler temperatures trigger rain to fall on forests.
Forests build soil, stop erosion, feed biodiversity and the food chains.
One single tree can produce a hundred thousand seeds. So the solution is at hand to all our problems.

But few plant forests. Willie Smits is an awesome pioneer, China has been trying to regrow loads using prisoners. We could do that too. Especially pedosexual predators should be there were are no children.

I agree with you more focus should be on agriculture. Hedges cutting is on the rise where i am. They eradicate them completely. Spain is becoming a desert.

What can a man do? I don’t want to be vegan. I feel weak if i only eat vegetarian. I don’t buy industrial meat. Just hunted game my neighbors catch and share. Or beef fed free ranging cattle.

Anyway. Holland is going to spend a zillion euro’s to decrease the temperature and the minister asked by how much replied 0,00036 degree. It’s all good to get the economy ‘green’. Holland eradicates gas use. Germany is starting it up. It’s a big mess.
Sadly we have a strong man leasing us into the New World Order. Klaus Schwab is the man we need to lead us towards unity. Everybody get’s CBDC so everybody’s CO2 footprints can get reduced, every second will be controlled, everything electric, every thought corrected by AI monitoring us 24/7 manipulating our mood by chemicals so there won’t be any evil climate deniers like me. And everybody will be up to date vaxed. No guns, just the governments boot stomping on a human face forever.

I want nothing to do with it. I believe we can avoid it if we work together and stop listening to the scientific/military industrial media complex. We need to work on a blueprint for when the inevitable revolution gets hi jacked by the Blackrock/Statestreet/Vanguard owners of this planet.

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