Lets Domesticate the Mayapple (*Podophyllum peltatum*)

I want to domesticate Mayapples (Podophyllum spp.), Among the few best Super Cold Hardy Plants that produce Edible Fruits with Tropical Flavors. I don’t want mayapples to be a Forager exclusive, I want everyone to enjoy them too! Just look at that diversity! Landrace potential! :exploding_head:

HOW TO EAT
We must exercise caution because Mayapples (Podophyllum spp.) are very toxic plants, the only part that’s edible is the ripe fruit. Unripe fruits are toxic (Just like with Tomatoes, Black Nightshades & many other fruits) so no need to fear them. Simply rip open a ripe fruit, suck out the pulp, spit out the seeds & discard the skin. The seeds are not edible but should pass right thru if swallowed by accidentally (Key thing is to not crush the seeds, they taste horrible if you do). Breeding a Seedless mayapple may be a worthy goal if a Parthenocarpic form shows up.

Here’s what unripe Mayapples look like (Green, Firm & Taste Nasty). These unripe Fruits can be picked green (At just the first sign of whitening) to ripen off vine just like with Tomatoes, thus ensuring yield by beating the animals to it. This is how I ate ~40 Mayapple fruits when most foragers are lucky to even get 1, all I had to do was wait till they turn yellow at home.


PHYLOGENIC TREE
Here’s 2 Phylogenic Trees on Podophyllum Relationships (*Note Dysosma & Diphylleia are now Podophyllum species, there’s a good chance all are crossable with Mayapples).


SPECIES/VARIETIES
Below are all the Mayapple species worth exploring, I suspect all are cross-compatible (Especially with the aid of Mentor Pollination).

Yellow American Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum)
The typical variety, these have a Pineapple x Sweet Tropical Passionfruit Flavor. Truly incredible for such a cold hardy species (USDA Hardiness Zone 3-9).

Many-Fruited American Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum f. polycarpum)
An uncommon Multi-Fruited form of Mayapples. Normally each 2-leafed plant only produces 1 fruit, but this form can produce 4-6 fruits per plant. Sometimes this form simply makes 1 Huge Mayapple fruit, (Such Incredible Genetics, someone Needs to save these seeds).

Red American Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum f. deamii)
A rare form of Mayapple with Pink Flowers & Red Fruit with Red flesh & Maroon Seeds. From all the research I’ve done, Nobody seems to have even tried it to describe it’s flavor.

Orange American Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum f. biltmoreanum)
A Super Rare Form, Fruit with a rich apricot to mango-orange skin & yellowish-white flesh inside. It’s so rare I couldn’t even find a single photo! It was Discovered just North of Barrington Lake County Illinois by Mrs. Valerie Bordener. When not in fruit, it’s indistinguishable from the regular yellow fruited types.
NO PHOTOS EXIST!

Red Himalayan Mayapple (Podophyllum hexandrum)
Sister Species most closest Phylogenically to the American Mayapple. These are also edible when fully ripe & Foraged sometimes in the Himayalan Region as a Wild Edible. Couldn’t find much info about their taste but some described it as ranging from tasteless to Tomato x Pawpaw Tropical Fruity flavor with strong aroma.

Many-Fruited Asian Mayapple (Podophyllum pleianthum & versipelle Complex).
Used to be it’s own Dysosmos genus, but not Placed into Podophyllum. This is actually a species complex & has some rare ornamental hybrid varieties. Fully ripe fruits should be edible & I can’t wait to try one! The Multi-Fruited Trait is super useful! Ripe Fruits come in a Red or Yellow & Flowers in a Dark Red, Pink, Yellow or with long petals.

Blue Mayapple (Podophyllum grayi)
AKA Skeleton Flower (Cuz flowers become transparent with water contact), sometimes placed in it’s own genus Dyphylleia grayi. According to PFAF these are edible (But no details were given). I did find a French blog that mentioned they’re edible & taste sweet/sour according to Japanese Nurseryman (Apparently similar to barberry?). Reguardless, these berries are very small but could provide useful genetics into a Mayapple Landrace.

Appalachian Blue Mayapple (Podophyllum cymosum)
AKA Umbrella Leaf (Diphylleia cymosa). Nearly Identical to Skeleton flower except it has fruits are slightly smaller, held on red stems (Pedicels) & Flowers don’t become transparent with water. No specific mention about edibilty for this exact species, but it’s Phylogenically sister to P. grayi, thus very likely has similar edibility. It’s a species I want to try tasting, seeds inside are red (Last Photo).

HOT TO GROW FROM SEED
Mayapples are relatively easy to grow from seed (I’d follow these tips for all species). Seeds need cold stratification & germinate best with light warm to cold cycles. You can just sow them outdoors in a pot or in ground to let nature do it for you or you can sow seeds indoors, (Cold Garage or Fridge can stimulate the needed Cold Stratification). You can speed up germination by putting ziplock baggie in fridge, then putting them at room temperature in Jan/Feb/March & seeds will germinate gradually. Seeds of different mayapple species Pictured below

Once seeds have germinated, they will remain at the Cotyledon stage for 1 year without any true leaves (This is normal because that’s how mayapples grow, they are building a strong root system). Remember to transplant after plants go dormant cuz they can get root bound in a pot.

Here’s what the root system looks like below the shoot. You can transplant divisions easily once you get a good patch going (Great way to clone exact cultivars!)

Eventually after a few years your mayapples will start to flower/fruit. Most optimal fruiting happens sheltered under open canopy trees with lots of sunlight. Mayapples would grow perfectly under Fruit Trees, in a Food Forrest setting. The more sunlight, the more fruiting! I think the reason why they like growing under trees because is because of the sheltered environment & access to water (A good mulch may achieve the same effect).

My hope is to equip you with the knowledge needed to grow & breed Mayapples. These wild edibles are just Begging to be domesticated, and with so many potential species to choose & Cross with, something truly incredible could be bred. So much untapped potential, I refuse to believe I’m the only one wanting to domesticate them, so join me & lets domesticate the Mayapples together!

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An exciting project, it’d be nice to not have to beat the raccoons to the best patches. I’d love to see my local wild variety have more than one fruit per plant. It sounds like an interspecific hybrid might be a good way to go about it. I don’t think I’d devote my time to it unless I had the equipment for embryo rescue if they turn out to be difficult to cross. Maybe when I get more space.

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Mayapple would be perfect for my forest garden. My main challenge would be acquiring seed. I only see mayapple around here in fairly intact hardwood forest in spring. So far i haven’t encountered any with collectible fruit. Doubtless a matter of timing.

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Thank you! I hope to find collaborators for this project. If you manage to save some seeds, I’d love to exchange germaplasm. American Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum) has different genetics across it’s range thus trading could be beneficial (Even if it’s the same species).

Idk if embryo rescue will be required. I really want to know and test it for myself. This project is on hold until I get land so I’ll put my effort into researching for now.

Not a Problem, I gotchu you. I’ll trade you some American Mayapple seeds.

It’s very likely a sunlight issue, your forrest may just have too much shade for any fruits to form. That or your Mayapple population is a clone that isn’t able to self-pollinate (Some species/Forms can self-pollinate, so it just depends on your local populations).

I’ve definitely seen the blue ones in the woods.

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Awesome! You’ve have got to take a picture & save some seeds!

If your brave enough to try the fruits, go for it & report what flavors you find (Make sure you Identified it 100% correct). I know Podophyllum grayi is edible but Podophyllum cymosum has no specific edibility mentions, it is very likely just as edible due to being sister species.

The way you beat the raccoons is by harvesting before they are ripe and letting them finish in a brown paper bag.

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Indeed, altho Paper bag isn’t necessary if you have time to wait patiently.
I just put all my green unripe mayapples (with the first sings of ripening like White Spots) on a fruit bowl in the kitchen counter & eat the ones that ripen first.

I remember a story about a Native American captive being lead down a trail, diving on a mayapple and ingesting it and dying shorty afterward. I’m assuming he ate the root.
I will take a picture and id and get some seeds

This is really an exciting project. Mayapples do seem like an excellent understory crop to go into guilds around fruit trees.

The amount of research you have here is truly impressive, and the level of diversity available is stunning. That multi-fruit trait in particular looks highly desirable!

I’ve heard of stories in the literature about Native Americans using Mayapples to kill themsleves, really really dark & sad :sob:. Meanwhile I’m here just trying to enjoy the sweet fruit with happy vibes :joy:.

There are also some people Harvesting Himalayan Mayapple roots as a medicinal because it suposedly cures cancer but it’s done illegally as the wild populations are going down. It’s why I want to get some seeds & grow them here before the species becomes extinct or too rare.
Personally I wouldn’t trust using the root, it’s a very toxic plant. Some tried to use American Mayapple root as a replacement but I’m assuming it didn’t catch on like with the Himalayan Mayapple.

Fantastic!

Thank you! I wanted to find others to callaborate with, Domesticating Mayapples can be speedrun if we all do it together. I hope all this research I’ve done equips people with the good info needed to grow & domesticate them. Mayapples have so much Potential to become an EPIC Crop Landrace, all it needs is passionate people breeding them. Hopefully I can spark & help fule interest, kind of like “for the love of pawpaws” energy but with Mayapples.

Every Temperate Climate Gardener who wants Tropical Flavors needs to grow them, Some are hardy to Zone 3!

Well, I’m definitely willing to give it a try! Mayapples aren’t a perfect fit for my climate (they come from climates that get more water than mine), but they seem reasonably likely to be able to grow all right in a space that’s watered more often than most spots, has plenty of mulch, and is in partial shade from my very hot sunlight. I’m hoping. :slight_smile:

Actually, do you know of any mayapple populations that are known for higher drought tolerance than most others? If so, that’s something I should give a try.

Thats what I usually do, but as I can’t go out all the time, and they don’t all ripen at the same time, 40-75% of the patch is bare with only unripe ones left. My free time is very limited during my busy season(I do custom comercial farm work)

Most Mayapples like to grow in partial sun open forrests or under trees. However I did see lots of Photos of Podophyllum hexandrum growing on somewhat sandy/rocky soil or without leaf mulch on Inaturalist. Very very few people actually grow mayapples so the drought tolerance limit of each species hasn’t been fully tested yet. All species do have a pretty deep & spread out root system which helps, but a really drought tolerant landrace can certainly be bred.
I think you got it with your micro-climate, plenty of mulch & partial shade in a more watered spot.

How unripe? Cuz you can still pick those to ripen off vine at home if they have just the slightest signs of color change process starting (Like a slight white spot).

I was replying to a fella about how I do infact take what ones I can to ripen on the counter. But it’s only 4-6 at a time as thats usually how many are left that aren’t marble sized.

Even the marble sized ones may change color & smell ripe but due to their size won’t contain much food or literally be empty sometimes.
They don’t all have to be large but the bigger ones always contain more food value. Make sure to check the plants that have fallen on the floor, I found many green mayapple fruits rolled over on the Forrest floor (Off & away from the plant), that’s probably what’s going on in your patch.
Just check the surrounding area, they can’t fall far from the plant/patch.

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I had no idea there was so much may aplle diversity. I’ve foraged them in the wild once. Not much food inside. Also didnt realize the seed and skin are toxic too. Probably ate some of that.

I tried to grow them from bare roots I ordered once but they didnt take. I get good rain here but my native soil is very sandy so it tends to dry out fast.

I’d give it another go from seed but I havent seen them growing anywhere near me here in northern Michigan. I found them in the wild about 4 hours south of me years ago. They seem to like pretty specific conditions.

This depends on the size of the fruits, bigger fruits yeild more pulp inside but yes, yeild is a breeding effort I’d love to improve.

Don’t worry too much about it, some seeds swallowed on accident is not big deal (They pass thru fine especially if you didn’t crush or bite the seeds, if so the taste would be terribly bitter thus unlikely to swallow it). The skin is probably not crazy toxic especially from fully ripe fruits but I’d avoid it/discard it (A lil of the skin eaten is likely no big deal, same with a lil seed swallowed).

Try growing them from seed to see how it goes, it may adapt better. I’ve seen some of the Himaylan Mayapples do well even in somewhat dryish forrest floors with low leaf cover so genetics may exist that are good for adapting to your soils.

How well did the wild ones your foraged for grow? Was the soil also sandy there too? Might be worth growing mayapples in a different spot or improving the sandy soil with good homemade Compost & Mulching/covering the soil with leaves.

Perhaps, I’ve never grown them so I’m also learning a lot. I’m hoping my research & Foraging experience can help you achieve success with germinating them.

They were growing well but that was a very different enviornment. Much wetter if I remember correctly.