All Plant Families Phylogenic Tree

I put together every single Plant Family onto a Phylogenic Tree (Excluding Ferns, Mosses or Algae cuz those aren’t seed plants). Anyone want to peer review it or find mistakes let me know.

This is just the PNG file & isn’t the best quality, I have the SVG file but can’t upload here, oh well.

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That’s awesome!

Hopefully it’s easy to edit for everytime they move or rename a species :sweat_smile:

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Thank you!
This is just Family & Subfamily level, going to species level would be insane :scream:.

Also the phylogeny has been updated recently in a new study & some families have been moved. This is an on going project so I will eventually update it.

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It would be so cool to have something like that all the way to the species level.

Maybe in an interactive web format that was searchable so you could go directly to the plant you were looking for.

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Nice job! This looks great. IMHO, I don’t think a species-level tree, aside from being an insane amount of work, would even be useful. Hybrids and frequent reclassifications will always muddy the concept of “species.” And then we have species with many different-looking and differently named forms, like the brassicas. Yikes.

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@JinTX it would be cool to just enter the name of a species I like and see it light up on a tree like this. Someone who has access to a big database could just write a little program that identifies the family of whatever species you type in and then that could be used to highlight the branch on @VeggieSavage 's chart. Above my pay grade, for sure. :grinning_face:

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Superb and nice! I’d be happy to look it over but need to get each branch to enlarge, or get a file link to read. I only have three books from the 1970’s as a reference. Its a start. As a suggestion, maybe just work on species tree for the various seeds we are working with. I haven’t given up on colorful flesh cucumbers…but I dont want to loose good flavor. Most of the seed in the database is just listed as seed, not much for any other information. I wish seeds would be labeled with the endophytes they live with. That correlation could be the explanation for temperature tolerance, nutritional value and flavor. Mycorrhizae, mycelium,
and rhysobium are the basics with the handfuls of fungi and bacteria that are part of a plants life need to be included in the equation of diversity. Im thinking the “wild” seeds or plants growing in different continental soils, before they are destroyed by mechanical or chemical disruption, would be part of the germplasm equation. A living “soil” bank may be a way forward, with hydrated soil samples kept beside the seeds, or at least catalogs developed side by side. So much synergy comes together under the soil horizon for plants to grow and be healthy.

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Species level would be absolutely insantity, especially since species lines get really muddy thur hybridization (Which I gladly want to facilitate more of despite the taxonomic head aces it creates :sweat_smile: :winking_face_with_tongue:)

Thank you! Absolutely agree + I don’t need all species in existence to out on a phylogenic tree, that’s too much work! Plus I’d rather allocate the time I have for edible plants I care about & their wild relatives. Crops like Melons, Tomatoes, Squash, Lambsquaters, Persimmons, & Many more cultivated & Wild Edibles are worth getting species level trees for.

100% agree & we as Plant Breeders/Landrace Gardeners are only muddying the waters further & having the most fun doing it!
Here’s a meme about my point.

Species lines absolutely get blurred often these are known (or should be) as Species Complex which is either 1 highly diverse species with many subspecies inside it or lots of super closely related species that constantly cross into each other.
Also not all species boxes weigh or capture the same level/amount of diversity.

For example : There’s 5 different “Species” of Blackberries with nearly indistinguishable differences but all the diversity inside Cucurbita pepo (Including 2 subspecies) are all just 1 species!? Rubus pensilvanicus & Cucurbita pepo clearly weight very differently taxonomically.

Another Example : Amaranthus hybridus, A. caudatus & A. hypochondriacus are all part of the Hybridus species complex & should be lumped under 1 species just like Brassica oleracea is all just 1 species. Imagine if every cultivar was split into a different species? People would’ve thought Broccoli, Cabbage, Brussels Sprouts, Kale, Cauliflower, ect would’ve all been separate species.

The odd way we box species is very dis-balanced toward the genetic reality, why aren’t wild species allowed to have cultivars made & selected by nature? In many cases, The differences are no more wider than if they were cultivars selected by humans.

Brassicas are complex because they evolved thru Whole Genome Duplication or Chromosome Doubling. This makes the hybridization barriers very easy to overcome simply by doubling chromosomes! In fact it’s theoretically possible that every species & genus in the Brassiceae Tribe is cross compatible.
I’ve looked into the evolutionary history of Brassica & found out many species have created each other or were combined/introgressed into each other.

Ancient Brassica rapa & Brassica oleracea ancestors created Radish (Raphanus) when they crossed with the Brassica nigra & Sinapis arvensis types. This means there’s a good case for Raphanus to actually be a Brassica too :joy: or Brassica nigra has to become Mutarda nigra.

Brassica & Raphanus are cross compatible making them intergeneric hybrids but so is Sinapis Eruca Cakile and any other Brassiceae Tribe Genera.

That would be awesome, or if it could highlight at least what family/subfamily the species belongs in. Eventually I was hoping to put this phylogenic tree as a road map where every plant family could be linked into their own tree of which then species/genus could read.
Kind of like a PFAF x Wikipedia x Phylogenic Tree Edible Plants Database.

I like your ideas! Hopefully I can find the right people to collaborate with & make it happen.
I’m not a very good with programing, if I don’t find collabortators ChatGPT & AI will probably find a way to code it.

I have the SVG File for the tree where you can zoom into detail but sadly the GTS Forums discourse software can’t accept uploading SVG files here. This means I will have to find a way to convert the SVG file into PDF as a PNG version will be TOO LARGE without being compressed severely.

Oh that would be AWESOME! However I think the endophytes should actually come with the seeds rather than being sterilized & labeled with what endophyte they used to have :joy:

Label may do you little good if it also didn’t come with the actually endophyte if you get what I’m saying.

I absolutely agree, GoingToSeed orginzation is the most closest thing we have to being a viable living seed bank. I think a Living soil bank would be more complicated to implement legally.