European video meetings. Next: tuesday 8th of April 20h CET

For everyone, how would you like to proceed? :

a) Full of topics discussed the same evening by limiting their development?
For this option the advantage we do not forget subject and everything advances at the same time but in a slower way.
We need to prioritize things in the short term so that we can devote more time to moving these issues forward.

b) a meeting date for a single theme?
It’s easier to come in video conference if you want to engage and participate on a specific topic.
In this case people are there to participate and not wait for the 10 minutes during the 2 hours where they can talk about the subject that is important to them.

c) Intermediate construction ? :
For half an hour in the introduction, we talk about GTS current affairs, topics that are currently driving the forum.
Then we work and develop a particular theme during the remaining time.

As Richard say, about European meeting 2025, if we were to plan a trip, a budget, speakers, grant applications…we must move before the end of January at least on these points :
-destination
-date
-outline programme

yes weekdays evenings are very good, it is one of the few free time for many people. It was just to apologize for starting yawning and seeing my brain decline after 9:30 last time :yawning_face:

I do everything to be there tomorrow night but there is an uncertainty about my presence with our home internet connection which is intermittent since Friday. :crossed_fingers:

If you want to specify topics, i feel it’s a bit early for that, but i agree it shouldn’t be like that topics get too diluted.
I don’t really care if we have another conference of sorts, a get together with likeminded folk and seed exchange in a relaxing sunny place sounds good to me too. I feel many people have maxed out their workloadcapacity.

Hello Hugo! Since I am a newbie to I’d love to also exchange via other channels. The low barrier platform seems like a nice addition to what’s happening here. Are the groups open for everyone?

For europeans or french?

Yeah sure, would love to add you, maybe this invite link works.

or this one

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It’s in all languages Richard, it would be best if people speak English, but it can always be translated if people do not speak the language. I prefer that people join and sopeak their mothertongue than that they do not join.

thank you @Hugo for starting it, for taking the initiative. I am in hybernation mode so I am quite slow these days :smiley:

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I would say that a combination of B and C would be the best (for me), depending on the need. Probably in the beginning we will have more topics to discuss, and then with time we will get more clarity about the exact topics for each meeting.

There can also be separate online meet-ups organized by those people who just want to chat about their gardens, seeds, projects, experiences in adaptation of specific crops, etc … just an idea.

Regarding a live meeting -I would say it is important to set up the date and create a rough plan, to see our options in terms of budget, etc.

See you tomorrow!

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Great initiative Hugo, you ar a real community manager ! :slightly_smiling_face:
It may be a gateway for the younger ones as well.
Don’t blame me if you can’t find me on Telegram… I don’t use social networks or smarthpone, I’m old school and stuck in the telegraph :rofl:

No internet at home today, the wire broke with the wind outside…but I would be here tonight live from my wife’s shop all glittering Christmas decoration and after kicked out the last customers :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Haha-(hohoho) i figured that much Stephane, it must be quieter for sure!
Yes young people, new gardeners and the likes.

Write in french and traduce withe ChatGPT (sorry for that:)

Hello friends of Going To Seed,

It was a pleasure meeting with you yesterday (December 3rd, I believe). I felt all your good vibes, warmth, and humanity—it was truly great and something I needed, as being a farmer in France isn’t easy.

I use the word “farmer” because it conveys an idea of autonomy and freedom that resonates with me. Sadly, we could say that the farming community no longer exists in France as a distinct social group, and that farmers have been wiped out, replaced by proponents of industrial, disconnected agriculture in the wake of the post-war Green Revolution (after 1945).

What I wanted to clarify with you is that my approach to seeds, and specifically farmer seeds, is a political one—it’s about reclaiming control over our food autonomy. Developing a method for varietal creation through the PEPS method fully aligns with this vision. It gives us, as stewards of the land (gardeners, market gardeners, etc.), the means to regain autonomy in on-farm varietal creation through a grassroots and community-driven process. Far from labs and their techniques, which are entirely out of our reach, far from patents and financial markets.

If we want to define a strategy to make a greater impact, gain visibility, and encourage as many gardeners—and hopefully market gardeners, growers, farmers, and agricultural workers—as possible to take back control of seeds, it seems important to identify what drives us. Let’s see if we can define a shared vision, some broad principles, and a foundation that allows us to move forward together while maintaining trust in one another.

Right now, many movements are seeking to converge our struggles to launch a strong social movement. The Yellow Vests were a remarkable collective momentum, but COVID put a sudden stop to it. How can we revive such a movement, with all our differences and shared goals, without falling into the fascist trap?
Collaborating with existing movements and supporting their actions seems like a path we can take quickly and effectively.

Here’s what I’m involved in:

  1. The Confédération Paysanne: I’m a member of this farmers’ union, which upholds the values of peasant farming.
    https://www.confederationpaysanne.fr/

  2. The Groupement des Agriculteurs Biologiques (GAB): I’m on the board for my department in Haute-Saône and represent it at the regional level within Bio Bourgogne Franche-Comté (BIO BFC).
    https://biobfc.org/

    I’m also a member of the Fédération Nationale de l’Agriculture Biologique (FNAB):
    https://www.fnab.org/

    My involvement in GAB and BIO BFC allows me to better understand the challenges my fellow farmers (livestock farmers, crop growers, beekeepers, etc.) face, ensuring I’m not confined to my own issues as a market gardener and seed grower. It also helps me grasp the position of the organic agriculture defense network (FNAB) within the agro-industrial complex. That position isn’t always clear—practicing organic farming doesn’t automatically mean one isn’t part of the industrial world and its associated logic: over-equipment, overproduction, over-indebtedness, and the drive for low prices to compete in ever more globalized markets.

  3. Our farm:
    https://www.jardinsdevauvenise.fr/
    We are part of La Semencerie, a collective of seven farms that produce seeds and sell them through this shared tool. My wife, Steph, started this collective, and I participate in it. For instance, the sale of absinthe by one of our colleagues supports a solidarity fund.
    https://www.lasemencerie.fr/

  4. The Atelier Paysan: My strongest political engagement is with this cooperative, which for 15 years has pursued a clear political project: dismantling the agro-industrial complex. This complex includes large upstream and downstream companies (often the same entities) that control the entire food production system for humans and animals on the planet.

    The Atelier Paysan promotes technological autonomy for farmers and operates with an ambitious but, in my opinion, essential goal. It sets itself apart from organic agriculture advocacy groups and agricultural unions with a conviction I share, which can be summed up as:
    “The necessary social movement to radically transform our agriculture and food systems will emerge and grow through collective approaches—or it will not happen at all. The three key actors in such a movement are, in our view: the peasant farming movement, citizens’ movements, and historical farmers.”
    (Excerpt from the book Reprendre la terre aux machines)

    https://www.latelierpaysan.org/
    https://www.seuil.com/ouvrage/reprendre-la-terre-aux-machines-l-atelier-paysan/9782021478174

Looking forward to reading, listening to, and seeing you here or elsewhere!

Wishing you a smooth transition to 2025!

Warm regards,
Seb

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I dont know yet if i will be abble te be present tonight

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Hi Hugo,

Thank you. Actually I just realised that for me it would be 3am because I am in Australia at the moment, so I’ll have to skip this one, maybe next time :-).

Sarah

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Can’t believe it, my current neighb0r ch0se n0w t0 have a reset 0f wifi settings, he shares his with us! I try but maybe cann0t be with y’all. Buggers!

We can write the questions to put in the questionnaire here :
https://lite.framacalc.org/european-meeting-abia

after that you will tell me for what date I puts online so that everyone has time to answer before next visio meeting :slightly_smiling_face:

Aaaaah another spread sheet i don’t know how to add something! Second one today. What’s wrong with me?
How do i do that please?

you write in a box and it saves itself :grin:
there is no simpler way !

In what box do i write if i want to add in the when category?

I had some line

I ruined the column next to WHERE question.