hello everybody, I just discover this thread, sorry to read that I have missed 2 video meetings .
I will try to keep myself better informed in the future, but things have been busy for me lately so I apologize.
looking forward to reading this evening’s report and hopefully join the next session.
I will look at the questionaire, too.
sebastien, you are involved in a lot of groups , congratulations.
would you include membership of a local soulevements de la terre comitee as relevant in this ?
I will investigate potential costs to host the meeting in Croatia. I am meeting people from the organization on Friday.
@Tanjaeskildsen could you please get in touch with people in Mallorca in the Permacultural organization you mentioned last time to see how much it would cost to host us there per person, per day. Let’s say 15 people in October or November 2025? Also ask if they can prepare food on the spot, how easy or complex it is to come there from the airport? Do they have a smaller meeting room? What else do they offer?
I will do the same in Croatia, and then we can ask more specific questions in the questionnaire when we know potential costs.
Superb responsiveness !
you will tell us when you need help to write questions and above all choose the type of vote requested (proposal, poll, multiple choice…)
And after I stand available to made the questionnaire file online on on framavox.
to help @marcela_v and @Tanjaeskildsen , it would also be good if everyone started researching the possibilities of activities offer around these 2 sites:
Visits to interesting farms, seed companies, associations, seed banks, people to invite for workshops…
We can put them on the online file :
https://lite.framacalc.org/european-meeting-abia
Sure, I’ll write around and post the responses here as soon as I get them.
Alternatively, i have an event organizer friend who married into a local winery, and they host events in their bodega. I can ask her too, at least they organize everything included the food, which i dont think the permaculture group can handle. But ill ask anyway.
So summery question, do you mind the event held at a bodega?
ons. 18. dec. 2024 kl. 13.55 skrev stephane_rave via Going to Seed <notifications@goingtoseed.discoursemail.com>:
Can you clarify what you mean by bodega?
It can be a wine cellar, a place for feria or a bar…
in the 3 cases this type of festive places is a good start 
It is a bit of both😂 It’s where they produce the wine, host dinners, parties, events and of course serve wine.
Hi, just to make that clear : we should not expect many members of the francophone PEPs group to join in, as in the group all face financial issues, from mild to severe, partially due to 2024 weather. For example I know some didn’t join yesterday’s conversation as they already know they won’t be able to afford traveling in 2025. Not that they don’t encourage that move though, it’s even the exact contrary. So unless they find some external funding, we should count on 3 persons, great great maximum, on top of me.
I would say that our goal should be to include as many of us as possible, and have finances in mind when choosing a place. We can also figure out some way to co-finance participation and make it low-cost. I will talk with my friends in the social seed bank, they have many things going on and a lot of funding from different EU projects or donations.
I think it is a fair cause to be as inclusive as possible !
Because in Europe we must also be well aware that some people could be in the economic situation of some French farmers but in a country with an even lower standard of living. There is a huge disparity in minimum wage in Europe.
If financial aid arrive we must try to prioritize them towards people who could be on the point of tipping over between I would like to come but my economic situation does not allow me.
I think we can all work together, including the people who are in this situation, to find a solution. The only thing I could reproach to the date of Antibes is that this place was a rich and tourist region is this was probably a brake for many when paying the ancillary costs ( transport, accommodation…).
Let’s try to propose a festive and solidarity meeting! 
Salut Isabelle,
j’écris en français, en espérant que tu le lises, le français, sinon, tell me, i will write in english !
Pour répondre à ta question, je ne fais pas parti “officiellement” d’un comité local des soulèvements de la terre. Mais mes aspirations à porter le changement croisent les mouvements initiés par les sdlt. J’y adhère globalement. A ce jour je vais devoir faire des choix: Ou m’engager pour avancer ? Car le temps bénévole global donné est trop lourd. Alors je cogite, en même temps que sur mon plan de culture 
Hello Sebastien, bonne année !
je suis d’accord sur les trois points
les SDLT sont cohérents comme engagement aux cotés du travail sur les semences métissées
le temps bénévole est limité, comme le reste.
mon plan de culture est prioritaire
je viens de rejoindre un petit groupe qui tente de faire naitre un des “greniers des soulèvements” (terrain et temps bénévoles pour produire un peu des appros des cantines de lutte) et je vois bien comment il serait facile de me faire dévorer par des engagements collaréraux. Donc j’y vais doucement et je n’encourage pas l’augmentation de la surface cultivée tant que les troupes bénévoles ne sont pas assemblées…
bien chaleureusement
isabelle
Here are notes from our last meeting Framapad annuel.
I used the same document as first time, and will continue so. Last meeting is on top (first to read). You can also turn on table of contents in settings and click on links to each meeting.
This time I didn’t get all that was discussed, especially second part of the meeting, I was really tired that evening so less notes, less memory and wrote most of it a week after the meeting (finished today).
So who was there, please do add some more notes on what was discussed on social groups and adding info on seeds in seed train.
Hi Mare. To clarify for everybody, this is where we are concerning the ever evolving European seed train (66 edits).
Malte has the first reply in the topic as a general rules statute for if people want more info.
https://goingtoseed.discourse.group/t/serendipity-seed-swap-eu/1507
The following is a small part of it. Important to read so we’re all on the same page.
“When you receive the package, take whatever you want and add your own. If you’re new to the community and don’t have as much to share as you would like to take, don’t be shy. Remember that you’re doing work for the group by growing out the seed and sharing the next generation.
Everything is welcome: Landraces, inbred varieties, mixes, edibles, ornamentals, cover crops, annuals, perennials, trees etc. Please make sure to VERY clearly label anything that is not edible.
In general, add your seed to existing bags. That way, the bags will grow in genetic resources over time. If you add your name to the bag, others can get a sense of where the seed comes from and who to ask questions to.
If you don’t find a bag where your seed fits, make a new one. For example, if your melons are super early, instead of writing “My Northern Melons”, just make a new category called “Northern & Super Early Melons”. That way, we emphasize the community aspect instead of having 10 different bags of flour corn with people’s own blends. And please tell us when you add to the bags with new and impressive things - we love to hear it.
If you find several bags that seem close enough to merge, feel free to do so. You’re doing work for the group by reducing the information complexity (overwhelm and labor) and still keeping the genetic complexity. Yay! We call it the Serendipity seed swap after all.”
Great! I want to post links to other threads here with themes that we disscussed during video meetings. I’ll try to do it this evening.
And just a reminder - our meeting starts in a minute at the same link Jitsi Meet
Next meeting: 22.1. wednesday at 20:00 CET
To summarise things a bit here is a list of themes discussed in three meetings we had so far (including today), with links to forum threads when there is one:
Proposed themes for our next meeting:
That’s handy to get up to speed to have links to topics.
@Richard @malterod @Hekseringen @Tanjaeskildsen @isabelle @mare.silba @stephane_rave @ThomasPicard @marcela_v @aleba @polarca , @Bruno
Keeping topics limited can streamline/shorten the meetings and make it more people attend, links will help that.
About building bridges. Our most natural ally in my opinion would be heirloom seed savers, important bridge to build!
Next meeting wednesday 22nd of January 2025-01-22T19:00:00Z.
Video link still the same: Jitsi Meet.
Agenda:
We’ll keep it under 1h30min.
Later in winter:
The Seed Stewardship project is to be discussed with -notably- @anna by the end of February. Theme: “the GTS seed stewardship experience within the US”. @malterod in charge of defining the meeting date with Anna.
Oups Mare dorry I hadn’t seen your post when I posted mine above.
Hello! Great to be reading about the meeting here. I had to switch a day of traveling and couldn’t be on the call! Looking forward to see you on the 22nd!